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Re: Was C. S. Lewis the first to say that colonising other planets would be immoral if they had native inhabitants?

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Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote in
news:vrc6vbpjtbpt07rkh9ojf6jgbcujqi2v8a@reader80.eternal-september.org: 

> On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 00:49:56 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
> wrote:
> 
>>In article <nsujeo$ksm$1@dont-email.me>,
>>David Johnston  <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On 10/3/2016 12:41 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>>> On Monday, 3 October 2016 14:30:03 UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt  wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <b1026922-f52d-4c06-8c6c-1d698ed11c71@googlegroups.com>, Madawc
>>>>> Williams  <madawcnow@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>>> He says this in "Out of the Silent Planet", published 1938. Two
>>>>>> human visitors to Mars seem to intend something like the European
>>>>>> colonisation of the rest of the world. The third, whom we are
>>>>>> obviously supposed to agree with, condemns it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, the first example of *that* idea that I know of is Wells's
>>>>> _The War of the Worlds._  Wells was an avowed Socialist and
>>>>> _TWotW_ was a way of saying, "Hey, Britain, how would you feel if
>>>>> it happened to *you*?"
>>>>
>>>> Hmm.  Wells also favoured eugenics: I'm not sure if
>>>> his Martians are represented as immoral, even though they
>>>> come - in a desperate struggle to survive the death of
>>>> their planet's ecology - as conquerors rather than guests.
>>>> And treat the impromptu human ambassadors /very/ badly.
>>>> But they have their own morality and they're more advanced
>>>> than us.  In the comics I think they drink our blood although
>>>> I think I didn't find that in the book.
>>>>
>>>
>>>They inject human blood into themselves in the book although that may
>>>have been an attempt to acquire immunity to Earth diseases rather
>>>than a habitual diet.
>>
>>Well, if that was it, it didn't work.
> 
> There is no evidence in the text that they knew microorganisms
> existed; the narrator is pretty clear in Chapter Two that the Martians
> are injecting blood as food.  (They have no digestive tract, and
> obtain sustenance entirely by injection.)

To be picky, its chapter 2 of Book 2, well into the story.
https://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/warworlds/b2c2.html

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Was C. S. Lewis the first to say that colonising other planets would be immoral if they had native inhabitants? Madawc Williams <madawcnow@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 00:58 -0700
  Re: Was C. S. Lewis the first to say that colonising other planets would be immoral if they had native inhabitants? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-03 13:20 +0000
    Re: Was C. S. Lewis the first to say that colonising other planets would be immoral if they had native inhabitants? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-03 11:41 -0700
      Re: Was C. S. Lewis the first to say that colonising other planets would be immoral if they had native inhabitants? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-03 15:16 -0400
        Re: Was C. S. Lewis the first to say that colonising other planets would be immoral if they had native inhabitants? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-03 15:32 -0400
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          Re: Was C. S. Lewis the first to say that colonising other planets would be immoral if they had native inhabitants? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-04 12:35 -0400
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      Re: Was C. S. Lewis the first to say that colonising other planets would be immoral if they had native inhabitants? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-03 20:57 +0000
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        Re: Was C. S. Lewis the first to say that colonising other planets would be immoral if they had native inhabitants? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-04 00:49 +0000
          Re: Was C. S. Lewis the first to say that colonising other planets would be immoral if they had native inhabitants? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-04 00:45 -0400
            Re: Was C. S. Lewis the first to say that colonising other planets would be immoral if they had native inhabitants? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 00:08 -0500
              Re: Was C. S. Lewis the first to say that colonising other planets would be immoral if they had native inhabitants? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-04 01:14 -0400
            Re: Was C. S. Lewis the first to say that colonising other planets would be immoral if they had native inhabitants? David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-04 02:58 -0600
              Re: Was C. S. Lewis the first to say that colonising other planets would be immoral if they had native inhabitants? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-04 12:38 -0400
                Re: Was C. S. Lewis the first to say that colonising other planets would be immoral if they had native inhabitants? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-04 13:52 -0700
                Re: Was C. S. Lewis the first to say that colonising other planets would be immoral if they had native inhabitants? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-10-05 00:02 +0000
                Re: Was C. S. Lewis the first to say that colonising other planets would be immoral if they had native inhabitants? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-05 00:49 -0400
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                Re: Was C. S. Lewis the first to say that colonising other planets would be immoral if they had native inhabitants? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-10-05 11:11 -0700
                Re: Was C. S. Lewis the first to say that colonising other planets would be immoral if they had native inhabitants? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-05 15:53 -0400
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