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Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in 
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> On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 21:10:43 -0500, Mitchell Holman
> <noemail@comcast.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <XnsA61FD79E4A434noemailattnet@216.166.97.131> wrote:
> 
>>Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>>news:a4fblb5vdh6s2ldj2q57s8596bq2flt6v3@4ax.com: 
>>
>>> On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 08:02:42 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>>> <noemail@comcast.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <XnsA61F52043A22noemailattnet@216.166.97.131> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in 
>>>>news:jh4alb9djlj4c720b9n18a6n8vbuc6p3kr@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 21:28:59 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>>>>> <noemail@comcast.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <XnsA61EDAB682400noemailattnet@216.166.97.131> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in 
>>>>>>news:8276lbp0cevc1n5kjrkq4na9b4814uf3qs@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 04 Jun 2016 12:38:24 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>> <noemail@comcast.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <XnsA61D80C187F35noemailattnet@216.166.97.131> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Americans will never stand for it. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You might be surprised. We are close now with SS cards and
>>>>>>>>> driver's licenses.  It is a necessity today.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    You don't need to produce an SSI card to 
>>>>>>>>buy a roll of stamps or pay your water bill.
>>>>>>>>Just try requiring it and see what happens. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You need ID and/or your 'taxpayer ID"  (SSN) to open a bank
>>>>>>> account, see a doctor, or apply for credit.  And usually to sign
>>>>>>> up for utilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     None of those require proof of citizenship. 
>>>>>>Americans would not put up with dollar coin or 
>>>>>>$2 bill, they are certainly not going to put up
>>>>>>with proving their nationality wherever they go. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> They need a taxpayer ID, and if such and ID was required it would 
be
>>>>> used.  Just as a drivers license is used now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> No ID, no activity whatever it is.
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Americans will not stand for having to prove
>>>>their nationality everytime they buy or sell. 
>>> 
>>> It would not be necessary or every transaction.  Basically the same
>>> things that require ID now.   
>>
>>
>>     No one needs to prove citizenship to buy
>>a tolltag or buy stamps or get a library card.
>>Nor should they have to. 
> 
> They do to open a bank account, see a doctor, or get any kind of
> credit. 


     No doctor requries citizenship proof 
before treating a patient. 



>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     What solution is that?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Automation, and other labor sources.  Perhaps more legal
>>>>>>> immigration if needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Is automation going to clean your hotel 
>>>>>>room and patch your roof and mow your yard?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Who knows?  Robotics are expanding every day.  Even cars are going
>>>>> to drive themselves.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     No robot is going clean your hotel room or 
>>>>change your bedban or fix your roof. We need 
>>>>cheap labor. We have always needed cheap labor.
>>> 
>>> But not illegal labor.
>>
>>
>>     That is the only labor willing to do those jobs. 
>>
  
     Why do you think crops rot in the fields when 
  only Americans are allowed to harvest them?




>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Show us the downside to Reagan legalizing
>>>>>>millions of immigrants. Did the stock market 
>>>>>>crash, did jobs disappear, did Americans go 
>>>>>>hungry?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The downside was letting millions of people get away with breaking
>>>>> the law and rewarding them for doing so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     The "new Americans" were still the laboring poor,
>>>>they still do the crap jobs Americans won't touch, the 
>>>>economy still benefits from them, AND we saved money 
>>>>by not deporting them. 
>>> 
>>> We would have saved more by preventing them from entering in the 
first
>>> place. 
>>
>>
     By building a wall.

     A $16 million PER MILE border wall?


http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/09/this-is-what-trumps-border-wall-could-
cost-us.html

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