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Re: Fat books

Subject Re: Fat books
Newsgroups alt.usage.english, sci.physics.relativity, rec.arts.sf.written
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From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid>
Organization Watcom Pro Ltd.
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Date 2026-10-22 01:49 +0800

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On 10/22/2026 1:44 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 10/21/2026 10:28 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>> On 10/20/2026 08:05 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>> On 10/20/2026 02:00 PM, Charles Hope wrote:
>>>> On 20/10/2026 12:09, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/20/2026 3:40 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>> It is a classical example of not correcting for bias.
>>>>>>> (to obtain a wanted result)
>>>>>>> The parishioners going to church every sunday
>>>>>>> will be in better health (on average)
>>>>>>> than those who stay at home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't let the bias bite you.  For some of them -- not all of 
>>>>>> course --
>>>>>> it's because they go to church every Sunday, and probably attend 
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> social related activities -- many of which are tied to the local
>>>>>> church.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I mean, it's not like you can just magically use the word /bias/ and
>>>>>> claim it doesn't work for some people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nonsense. The 'scientific' proof from statistics
>>>>> that regularly going to chuch on sundays increases your life 
>>>>> expectancy
>>>>> is bunk.
>>>>> It is a textbook example of how not to do statistics,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>>   I was taught to e very careful about using statistics. In the years
>>>> following WW2, you could see an increase in the number of fridges in
>>>> domestic use,  There was a similar increase in burglaries.  In fact,
>>>> there was a straight line correlation  between fridges and burglaries.
>>>> Did one cause the other??
>>>
>>>
>>> Mostly the mobility and the transience,
>>> then also there were a lot of drug habits.
>>>
>>> Fridges just keep food cold.
>>
>>
>> Since that time in many segments of American culture,
>> "the nazis & the commies" were considered antithetical
>> to American ideals, and the enemy of good Americans,
>> terrorists are small change, while yet the nazis and
>> the commies and their codependency with suppression &
>> repression and run-away filthy lucre, have it so that
>> the lifetime of propaganda has very firmly established
>> that it's virtuous to be against the nazis and the commies,
>> particularly those that are both, progressive radicals
>> of the self-serving variety.
>>
>>
>> The Bayesian, about statistics, is only a partial account,
>> working fine for classical probabilities, while yet there's
>> that continuous distributions are not modeled after counting
>> arguments and otherwise closed by classical probabilities.
>> So, not only is the statistical method a rigorous course
>> itself, the actual foundations of probability theory have
>> large gaps about the Bayesian as the inductive and empirical,
>> about uncertainty and chance in probability theory yet with
>> actual accounts of non-standard and extra-ordinary mathematics
>> itself, has that there are lies and lies.
>>
>> Lots of people hear "Bayesian" and think "sound", yet,
>> it's notable that "Bayesian" is "incomplete" about the
>> continuous after the discrete, chopping off fingers
>> to infinity.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> Recent polls show most people aren't in the vocal cohort,
> and more than two-thirds of people consider themselves
> reasonable common-sense moderates, given a very basic
> account of equal rights & equal protections as the
> cornerstone of what justness is where "democracy"
> is "rule of law" with rights & protections since Aristotle,
> then vis-a-vis "rule of the mob" or "rule of mob",
> about majority and meritocracy, then that the
> anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-syndicalism are
> considered subject their own deconstructive account
> as not pertaining to society overall and good governance,
> instead as symptomatic of inefficiences in the economy.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The Bayesian as completing itself is turned over many
> times in the mathematics, for example about Frege's
> completeness then Russell's incompleteness then Russell's
> retro-thesis of completeness then Goedel's completeness
> then Goedel's incompleteness, that though for the
> actual accounts of the continuous and completeness,
> and then repleteness, that since antiquity there are
> the multiple models of continuous domains like as for
> Xenocrates and line-drawing like Hilbert's postulate
> of continuity or Cavalieri's indivisibles vis-a-vis
> the Eudoxan after the Archimedean the rational extension,
> that the _repleteness_ of the super-standard and the
> continuous, then as well for the _extra-ordinary_ of
> the actually infinite then is for the _super-standard_,
> since Zeno's "moving rows" and for quasi-invariant
> measure theory as for real and mathematically real
> accounts of convergence and emergence.
> 
> 
> Yeah, statistics will lie if you let them.

Can people lie with statistics without /letting them/?
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