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Re: PL/I advertising

From jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: PL/I advertising
Date 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
Organization "Have EDDT, will travel"
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Morten Reistad wrote:
> In article <PM0005349BCD6377CF@aca407c0.ipt.aol.com>,
> jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>Morten Reistad wrote:
>>> In article <PM0005348836FBE04F@aca41e70.ipt.aol.com>,
>>> jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>Morten Reistad wrote:
>>>>> In article <PM00053473DB52038D@aca202a8.ipt.aol.com>,
>>>>> jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Morten Reistad wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <PM0005345F6683781B@aca40481.ipt.aol.com>,
>>>>>>> jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Morten Reistad wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <PM0005344A42095F07@aca41013.ipt.aol.com>,
>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>David Wade wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/06/2016 01:03, Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the late 60s, 70s and early 80s DEC was way ahead of where
the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> computing market was going.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It was, but the computing power wasn't there to support it. I so
>>>>>>>>>>> remember a friend who worked for a large Bank saying whilst he
>>didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> like PROFS as much as all-in-one
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALL-IN-1
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_OfficeVision
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> at the time VMS just didn't scale well enough for him to roll it
out
>>>>>>>>>>> Company wide, it was going to have to be PROFS.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It was really hard to get enough main store (RAM) to get decent
>>>>response
>>>>>>>>>>> times. Lets face it any OS where:-
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. The user hits a key.
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. The OS receives the character
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. The OS works out the editor app its intended for is paged out.
>>>>>>>>>>> 4. The OS pages the app in and sends it the character.
>>>>>>>>>>> 5. the app sees the character is an ordinary letter and echoes it
>>back
>>>>>>>>>>> to the terminal.
>>>>>>>>>>> 6. the OS echos the character
>>>>>>>>>>> 7. The OS marks the app as waiting for I/O and pages it out...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> is going to have scalability problems with many terminals. The
>>modern
>>>>>>>>>>> paradigm is to give each user a computer and OS.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>We had a customer whose LOGMAX was 500 and the services were
>>>>>>>>>>handled just fine.  Of course, he needed 5 CPUs to deal with those
>>>>>>>>>>services.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, you did some stuff quite well. But the argument about not
>>>>>>>>> bothering the main CPU too much stands.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That depends on what's going on.  A user hitting <CTRL>C<CTRL>C
>>>>>>>>in panic wants the attention of the CPU running his job.  I do
>>>>>>>>remember lots of discussions and experiments w.r.t. echoing
>>>>>>>>when the DC72 became more than a glint in the bit god's eye.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know of several places that hit the VTAM max on assigned
terminals,
>>>>>>>>> which was ~16000 at the time (AFAIR). They ran the code on 4341s
with
>>>>>>>>> CICS. That is about equivalent to a KL10 in CPU power. OK, there
were
>>>>>>>>> an handful of them, about even with the logmax 500 system you
describe
>>>>>>>>> above.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I thought those configurations had more to do with forms control, data
>>>>>>>>entry, and batch processing.  There's a big difference between that
>>>>>>>>and general timesharing for many diverse users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is transactions in an online network vs timesharing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Right.  We dabbled in that, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>When it comes
>>>>>>> to scaling to an insane amount of users, transactions win.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But those users are all running the same software.  Timesharing
>>>>>>is a mixture of all kinds of computing services requests.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, a CICS can have several thousand different transactions,
>>>>> a.k.a. "Programs" configured at any one time. ISTR the limit was
>>>>> around 16000 per cics partition. To be loaded on demand, if not
>>>>> already in memory.
>>>>
>>>>Ah, DECism problems...you have a different use of the word
>>>>transaction that we did.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The web is very similar to cics. Rolling out support for >2M users
>>>>>>> within a 2 hour period is reasonably easy to do with http. BTDT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wouldn't even try with logins. I have seen around a thousand on
>>>>>>> one machine, and it still worked sort of OK. That was a SGI challenge
>>>>>>> with 4-way mirrored disks, 16 in total and a max on 16 cpus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A thousand transactions/minute (or was it second?) was our goal.  I
>>>>>>wish I had a copy of the specs we worked on.
>>>>>
>>>>> The web site I refer to had around 70 million hits per hour. Think of
>>>>> it as cics transactions, they are html page loads.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is more than a million per minute. This was done by load-balancing
>>>>> over ~100 front end servers with cache and having 3 back-end database
>>>>> clusters with the real data.
>>>>>
>>>>> This was 1999. Around 1000 in Moore-multiplier from 1980. So a thousand
>>>>> per minute seems right.
>>>>
>>>>OK.  Thanks.  We worked hard on that TPS architectural spec.  I don't
>>>>think anything came of it unless the VAX and Alpha product lines
>>>>started out with the spec to write their own.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The users were mainly running uucp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I'm describing why DEC sold certain systems.  One of the reasons was
>>IBM
>>>>>>>>>>refused to be hetero with other manufacturers' gear.  This was at
>>>>>>>>>>Oak Ridge in 1970.  It was the seed for ANF-10 and DECnet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DEC also had a string NIH streak.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That seemed to happen only when Bell or Cutler  or Husvedt(sp?) got
>>>>>>involved.
>>>>>>>>Those were the small computer product lines.  Absolute control
>>absolutely
>>>>>>>>predominated the culture.  That, naturally, spilled over into the
>>>>>>>>development decisions of the hard/software.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't blame individuals. This NIH was a strong part of the entire
>>>>>>> culture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not in the -10 group and I doubt in the non-11M PDP-11 groups.
>>>>>
>>>>> The clear resisitance to TCP/IP, C, PL/1 and SQL tells me otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>> We saw it then, and ran to the competition.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Just look at how much it took to get
>>>>>>>>> TCP/IP into the kernel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>DEC was highly invested in DECnet.  The entire project was delayed to
>>>>>>>>the point that TOPS-10 comm developers in CSS group took the current
>>>>>>>>specs of DECnet and developed a comm product which ended up being
>>>>>>>>ANF-10.  We had customers who needed the functionality yesterday
>>>>>>>>and wouldn't wait for final apporval of all specs; this approval
>>>>>>>>didn't happen until years later.  There was a struggle going on
>>>>>>>>during all that time about which networking protocols were going
>>>>>>>>to be the computer biz standard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, you didn't even consider taking a standard from outside and
>>>>>>> implementing it; even improving on it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We couldn't for commercial use.  ARPAnet was implemented but
>>>>>>couldn't be sold to a lot of customers.  I wasn't allowed
>>>>>>to physically touch the [can't recall the word] system which
>>>>>>was the in-house ARPAnet node used to develop and test the
>>>>>>software under TOPS-20.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> You could make and sell as much arpanet hardware and software as
>>>>> you liked. The only issue was with connecting it to the actual Arpanet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Building another Arpanet for commercial traffic would have been
>>>>> quite straightforward from ca 1973 forward. Even for inhouse use.
>>>>> And cloning the IMPs was not rocket science either.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the necessary specs were public domain, or US federal (publicly)
>>>>> owned.
>>>>
>>>>To do any cloning required establishing groups of developers,
>>>>maintainers, and support people who had nothing to do with
>>>>the Arpa work.  The code and anything related to the product had
>>>>to be separate from everything else.  that's how it was back then.
>>>>You underestimate work done for the US government which fell
>>>>under national security.
>>>
>>> Actually, this is a big misunderstanding. The whole of the
>>> Arpanet specs, RFTs, RFQs etc were public. Even we, in another NATO
>>> country, could request them without any clearance whatsoever.
>>>
>>> We could buy the IMPs as well. And, two of our institues actually
>>> did so, in 1972 and in 1974.
>>
>>Then I don't understand why the work we did had to be secure.
>>Are you sure it was public or were you in an environment which
>>allowed access to sources?
>
> They would need export clearance, but nothing spectacular. Nothing
> like the VAX 8600 when it came out. For such DARPA-stuff it sure also
> helped being in NATO, but mostly because the purchasing path was
> already there.
>
> Or we could build our own. That would be a neat project for
> history now.
>
>>> It was the connection and transmission through the Arpanet that
>>> needed authorisation,
>>>
>>> Just as we did a lot with TCP/IP 10 years later, we could build
>>> wholly separate networks with the technology. This would have
>>> been as early as the Reuters network, ca 1972.
>>>
>>>>We already had the DC72, DC76 doing netowrking.
>>>
>>> In 1972?
>>
>>I don't remember when the 72 shipped.  It was passe when
>>we moved to Marlboro and the 76 was the new gear.  A lot
>>of the networking hard/software were specialized systems
>>and wasn't part of the general distribution tapes.  The
>>software was a second save set on the monitor distribution
>>tape when it did move to general distribution.
>
> I sense a bit of middle manager shufflebut here. And it was
> not unique to DEC.

Not really.  DEC did a lot of special installation development.
When more than one customer started to  require the
hard/software of these development teams, the code was handed
over to the monitor group for general distribution, future
development and maintenance.  IOW, a successful project
of the special team would be moved into the prouduct line's
general distribution.

ANF-10 is an example of this.

/BAH

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                Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-02 12:57 +0000
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                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 16:16 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-06 09:51 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:14 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2016-06-07 20:59 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-08 07:26 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2016-06-08 12:00 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-07 15:33 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-07 18:08 -0500
                Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-08 12:40 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-08 09:45 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-08 19:06 +0100
                Re: PL/I advertising JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 18:17 -0500
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:50 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-05 09:56 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-05 12:39 +0100
                Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-05 12:28 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 16:02 +0100
                Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-06 09:27 +0100
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:28 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 21:02 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-05 03:04 +0100
                Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-04 22:42 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 07:20 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 21:11 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-06 11:13 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 17:26 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:07 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-04 16:28 -0500
                Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-04 16:39 -0500
                Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 17:39 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-04 16:51 -0500
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 22:10 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 18:21 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 23:02 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-04 23:57 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 07:20 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-05 09:25 +0100
                Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 08:25 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:05 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 20:18 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 11:44 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:55 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-07 22:35 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-09 05:49 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-09 07:03 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-05 17:42 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:32 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 08:25 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 13:04 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 12:11 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 21:08 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-06 11:13 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 16:13 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-06 10:00 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 18:42 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-05 17:53 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-06 12:51 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:45 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:32 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-08 11:53 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 22:06 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:33 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-04 14:00 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 17:31 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-07 13:19 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-07 15:34 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-08 00:28 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 20:10 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-04 13:14 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 15:39 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:01 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-03 21:21 +0100
                Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-03 11:14 +0100
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-03 16:45 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-03 15:12 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-03 12:56 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 16:05 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 16:09 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-09 17:27 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-10 06:58 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-10 11:42 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-16 17:07 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-17 12:53 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:55 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-01 13:52 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-29 16:41 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-29 23:44 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-29 23:50 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-05-31 17:26 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-31 16:09 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-01 13:51 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-01 16:15 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 11:13 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-01 13:49 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 17:34 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-04 02:44 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 12:47 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:45 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 16:23 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-05 23:19 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 18:12 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Rob Doyle <radioengr@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 02:15 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-05-31 17:25 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-31 18:50 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-01 13:51 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 11:13 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-02 15:18 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 20:17 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-02 16:54 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-02 16:41 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-02 22:20 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-04 02:44 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:45 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-04 14:08 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000

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