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Re: PL/I advertising

From Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: PL/I advertising
Date 2016-06-06 18:16 +0200
Organization Me, Myself and I
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In article <PM0005349BCD6377CF@aca407c0.ipt.aol.com>,
jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>Morten Reistad wrote:
>> In article <PM0005348836FBE04F@aca41e70.ipt.aol.com>,
>> jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>Morten Reistad wrote:
>>>> In article <PM00053473DB52038D@aca202a8.ipt.aol.com>,
>>>> jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>Morten Reistad wrote:
>>>>>> In article <PM0005345F6683781B@aca40481.ipt.aol.com>,
>>>>>> jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>Morten Reistad wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <PM0005344A42095F07@aca41013.ipt.aol.com>,
>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>David Wade wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 02/06/2016 01:03, Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In the late 60s, 70s and early 80s DEC was way ahead of where the
>>>>>>>>>>>> computing market was going.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It was, but the computing power wasn't there to support it. I so
>>>>>>>>>> remember a friend who worked for a large Bank saying whilst he
>didn't
>>>>>>>>>> like PROFS as much as all-in-one
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALL-IN-1
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_OfficeVision
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> at the time VMS just didn't scale well enough for him to roll it out
>>>>>>>>>> Company wide, it was going to have to be PROFS.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It was really hard to get enough main store (RAM) to get decent
>>>response
>>>>>>>>>> times. Lets face it any OS where:-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. The user hits a key.
>>>>>>>>>> 2. The OS receives the character
>>>>>>>>>> 3. The OS works out the editor app its intended for is paged out.
>>>>>>>>>> 4. The OS pages the app in and sends it the character.
>>>>>>>>>> 5. the app sees the character is an ordinary letter and echoes it
>back
>>>>>>>>>> to the terminal.
>>>>>>>>>> 6. the OS echos the character
>>>>>>>>>> 7. The OS marks the app as waiting for I/O and pages it out...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is going to have scalability problems with many terminals. The
>modern
>>>>>>>>>> paradigm is to give each user a computer and OS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>We had a customer whose LOGMAX was 500 and the services were
>>>>>>>>>handled just fine.  Of course, he needed 5 CPUs to deal with those
>>>>>>>>>services.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, you did some stuff quite well. But the argument about not
>>>>>>>> bothering the main CPU too much stands.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That depends on what's going on.  A user hitting <CTRL>C<CTRL>C
>>>>>>>in panic wants the attention of the CPU running his job.  I do
>>>>>>>remember lots of discussions and experiments w.r.t. echoing
>>>>>>>when the DC72 became more than a glint in the bit god's eye.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know of several places that hit the VTAM max on assigned terminals,
>>>>>>>> which was ~16000 at the time (AFAIR). They ran the code on 4341s with
>>>>>>>> CICS. That is about equivalent to a KL10 in CPU power. OK, there were
>>>>>>>> an handful of them, about even with the logmax 500 system you describe
>>>>>>>> above.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I thought those configurations had more to do with forms control, data
>>>>>>>entry, and batch processing.  There's a big difference between that
>>>>>>>and general timesharing for many diverse users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is transactions in an online network vs timesharing.
>>>>>
>>>>>Right.  We dabbled in that, too.
>>>>>
>>>>>>When it comes
>>>>>> to scaling to an insane amount of users, transactions win.
>>>>>
>>>>>But those users are all running the same software.  Timesharing
>>>>>is a mixture of all kinds of computing services requests.
>>>>
>>>> No, a CICS can have several thousand different transactions,
>>>> a.k.a. "Programs" configured at any one time. ISTR the limit was
>>>> around 16000 per cics partition. To be loaded on demand, if not
>>>> already in memory.
>>>
>>>Ah, DECism problems...you have a different use of the word
>>>transaction that we did.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> The web is very similar to cics. Rolling out support for >2M users
>>>>>> within a 2 hour period is reasonably easy to do with http. BTDT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wouldn't even try with logins. I have seen around a thousand on
>>>>>> one machine, and it still worked sort of OK. That was a SGI challenge
>>>>>> with 4-way mirrored disks, 16 in total and a max on 16 cpus.
>>>>>
>>>>>A thousand transactions/minute (or was it second?) was our goal.  I
>>>>>wish I had a copy of the specs we worked on.
>>>>
>>>> The web site I refer to had around 70 million hits per hour. Think of
>>>> it as cics transactions, they are html page loads.
>>>>
>>>> That is more than a million per minute. This was done by load-balancing
>>>> over ~100 front end servers with cache and having 3 back-end database
>>>> clusters with the real data.
>>>>
>>>> This was 1999. Around 1000 in Moore-multiplier from 1980. So a thousand
>>>> per minute seems right.
>>>
>>>OK.  Thanks.  We worked hard on that TPS architectural spec.  I don't
>>>think anything came of it unless the VAX and Alpha product lines
>>>started out with the spec to write their own.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> The users were mainly running uucp.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm describing why DEC sold certain systems.  One of the reasons was
>IBM
>>>>>>>>>refused to be hetero with other manufacturers' gear.  This was at
>>>>>>>>>Oak Ridge in 1970.  It was the seed for ANF-10 and DECnet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DEC also had a string NIH streak.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That seemed to happen only when Bell or Cutler  or Husvedt(sp?) got
>>>>>involved.
>>>>>>>Those were the small computer product lines.  Absolute control
>absolutely
>>>>>>>predominated the culture.  That, naturally, spilled over into the
>>>>>>>development decisions of the hard/software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't blame individuals. This NIH was a strong part of the entire
>>>>>> culture.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not in the -10 group and I doubt in the non-11M PDP-11 groups.
>>>>
>>>> The clear resisitance to TCP/IP, C, PL/1 and SQL tells me otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> We saw it then, and ran to the competition.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Just look at how much it took to get
>>>>>>>> TCP/IP into the kernel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>DEC was highly invested in DECnet.  The entire project was delayed to
>>>>>>>the point that TOPS-10 comm developers in CSS group took the current
>>>>>>>specs of DECnet and developed a comm product which ended up being
>>>>>>>ANF-10.  We had customers who needed the functionality yesterday
>>>>>>>and wouldn't wait for final apporval of all specs; this approval
>>>>>>>didn't happen until years later.  There was a struggle going on
>>>>>>>during all that time about which networking protocols were going
>>>>>>>to be the computer biz standard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, you didn't even consider taking a standard from outside and
>>>>>> implementing it; even improving on it?
>>>>>
>>>>>We couldn't for commercial use.  ARPAnet was implemented but
>>>>>couldn't be sold to a lot of customers.  I wasn't allowed
>>>>>to physically touch the [can't recall the word] system which
>>>>>was the in-house ARPAnet node used to develop and test the
>>>>>software under TOPS-20.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> You could make and sell as much arpanet hardware and software as
>>>> you liked. The only issue was with connecting it to the actual Arpanet.
>>>>
>>>> Building another Arpanet for commercial traffic would have been
>>>> quite straightforward from ca 1973 forward. Even for inhouse use.
>>>> And cloning the IMPs was not rocket science either.
>>>>
>>>> All the necessary specs were public domain, or US federal (publicly)
>>>> owned.
>>>
>>>To do any cloning required establishing groups of developers,
>>>maintainers, and support people who had nothing to do with
>>>the Arpa work.  The code and anything related to the product had
>>>to be separate from everything else.  that's how it was back then.
>>>You underestimate work done for the US government which fell
>>>under national security.
>>
>> Actually, this is a big misunderstanding. The whole of the
>> Arpanet specs, RFTs, RFQs etc were public. Even we, in another NATO
>> country, could request them without any clearance whatsoever.
>>
>> We could buy the IMPs as well. And, two of our institues actually
>> did so, in 1972 and in 1974.
>
>Then I don't understand why the work we did had to be secure.
>Are you sure it was public or were you in an environment which
>allowed access to sources?

They would need export clearance, but nothing spectacular. Nothing
like the VAX 8600 when it came out. For such DARPA-stuff it sure also
helped being in NATO, but mostly because the purchasing path was
already there.

Or we could build our own. That would be a neat project for
history now.

>> It was the connection and transmission through the Arpanet that
>> needed authorisation,
>>
>> Just as we did a lot with TCP/IP 10 years later, we could build
>> wholly separate networks with the technology. This would have
>> been as early as the Reuters network, ca 1972.
>>
>>>We already had the DC72, DC76 doing netowrking.
>>
>> In 1972?
>
>I don't remember when the 72 shipped.  It was passe when
>we moved to Marlboro and the 76 was the new gear.  A lot
>of the networking hard/software were specialized systems
>and wasn't part of the general distribution tapes.  The
>software was a second save set on the monitor distribution
>tape when it did move to general distribution.

I sense a bit of middle manager shufflebut here. And it was
not unique to DEC. 

-- mrr

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                Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-06 14:55 +0000
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                Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-07 18:08 -0500
                Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-08 12:40 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-08 09:45 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-08 19:06 +0100
                Re: PL/I advertising JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 18:17 -0500
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:50 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-05 09:56 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-05 12:39 +0100
                Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-05 12:28 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 16:02 +0100
                Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-06 09:27 +0100
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:28 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 21:02 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-05 03:04 +0100
                Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-04 22:42 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 07:20 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 21:11 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-06 11:13 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 17:26 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:07 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-04 16:28 -0500
                Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-04 16:39 -0500
                Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 17:39 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-04 16:51 -0500
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 22:10 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 18:21 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 23:02 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-04 23:57 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 07:20 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-05 09:25 +0100
                Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 08:25 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:05 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 20:18 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 11:44 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:55 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-07 22:35 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-09 05:49 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-09 07:03 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-05 17:42 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:32 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 08:25 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 13:04 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 12:11 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 21:08 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-06 11:13 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 16:13 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-06 10:00 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 18:42 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-05 17:53 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-06 12:51 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:45 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:32 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-08 11:53 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 22:06 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:33 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-04 14:00 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 17:31 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-07 13:19 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-07 15:34 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-08 00:28 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 20:10 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-04 13:14 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 15:39 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:01 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-03 21:21 +0100
                Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-03 11:14 +0100
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-03 16:45 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-03 15:12 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-03 12:56 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 16:05 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 16:09 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-09 17:27 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-10 06:58 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-10 11:42 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-16 17:07 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-17 12:53 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:55 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-01 13:52 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-29 16:41 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-29 23:44 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-29 23:50 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-05-31 17:26 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-31 16:09 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-01 13:51 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-01 16:15 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 11:13 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-01 13:49 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 17:34 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-04 02:44 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 12:47 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:45 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 16:23 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-05 23:19 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 18:12 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Rob Doyle <radioengr@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 02:15 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-05-31 17:25 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-31 18:50 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-01 13:51 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 11:13 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-02 15:18 +0200
                Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 20:17 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-02 16:54 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-02 16:41 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-02 22:20 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-04 02:44 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:45 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-04 14:08 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000

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