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| Subject | Re: memcpy not memcpying? |
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| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
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| From | Bart <bc@freeuk.com> |
| Message-ID | <OcmvF.87562$Pt2.3193@fx23.am4> (permalink) |
| Organization | virginmedia.com |
| Date | 2019-11-02 21:05 +0000 |
On 02/11/2019 20:06, Keith Thompson wrote:
> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> TDM is apparently based on MinGW, an implementation that uses the gcc
> compiler and the Microsoft C runtime library. No, it hasn't bothered to
> include an up-to-date C runtime, preferring for whatever reason to use
> the existing Microsoft C runtime. Its failure to support "%zu" has
> nothing to do with gcc.
What is it to do with then? I must have download a dozen versions of gcc
over the years, %zu has never worked. And I have no idea what version of
a C runtime should be used, how many versions there might be, how you
check the version, where to get them from, or how you tell the compiler
to use a specific version.
You'd think a 0.67GB language installation, whose job is to convert C
files into executables, would take care of such details.
Note that lccwin /does/ support %zu, and that's just by installing
lccwin. What's the equivalent /single/ thing that you have to do for
.... you know, I don't even know what to call that thing. gcc is not the
right term, neither is gnu, maybe it's mingw...?
Very poor user-friendliness on that compiler-thing. And a very poor
'identity'. Compare 'pelles c', 'dmc', 'lccwin', even my 'bcc', which
are well-defined products in what they do, and what they include.
('tcc' would be classed with those but it's trying to turn itself into a
gcc clone, so on Linux it copies the same nonsense of requiring -lm and
generating a.out.)
> Perhaps "runtime environment" isn't the best description. It is,
> as you know perfectly well,
Actually, no I don't. People have gone to great pains here in the past
to explain the difference between C compilers, standard header files,
necessary utilities such as assemblers and linkers, and standard
libraries, and that obtaining a C compiler need not imply that you will
get anything else necessary to turn C source to an executable that will
properly deal with "%zu".
> Naturally you seize on a single poorly worded description so you
> can spread confusion.
I /am/ confused. The description can be SO much better:
"This mingw64 download includes the gcc compiler, a set of standard
include files, its own C library, the 'as' assembler needed by gcc, the
'ld' linker, and a make utility"
Or not, as the case may be. (There is, for example, something called
'mingw32-make.exe'; is that make? I really don't know.)
> Yes the old MinGW's use of the Microsoft C library is a problem.
> That problem was corrected by the introduction of MinGW-w64.
> (I'm not entirely sure to what extent MinGW-w64 is, or is intended
> to be, a replacement for MinGW.)
You would think that a 660MB download of gcc version 8.1.0, which is
reasonably recent, would have included new libraries.
> I don't know why it doesn't work for you. My guess is that either
> you're not using the gcc provided by MinGW-w64, or you've managed
> to use it along with the Microsoft runtime library. It does work
> for me. What does "gcc --version" print?
It shows:
gcc (x86_64-posix-seh-rev0, Built by MinGW-W64 project) 8.1.0
downloaded today. And as I said, I hide the tdm version, but which was
also 8.1.0 anyway.
> Normally I'd suggest that you ask for help resolving the issue,
I don't want to resolve it because I don't care. gcc (gnu, mingw-W64
whatever) is just too complex, THAT is the problem. Sorting out one
tiny, tiny aspect (%zu support on one installation) will not fix that.
I just don't use %zu. The alternatives will work anywhere.
But I do wonder who came up with the idea of "%zu" for size_t, which
requires these changes to decades-old *printf routines, while the
equivalents for int64_t etc have to make do with those PRi64d macros.
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