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| From | Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.devel |
| Subject | Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion |
| Date | 2025-03-09 16:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <Koqid-4O9k-9@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
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On Sun, Mar 09, 2025 at 01:32:47PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: >Another way to look at this outcome, and the one I personally prefer >by a wide margin, is that it'd be very cool to have them, but at this >time their utility is … questionable, given that I personally own zero >(out of umpteen) computers that would work with such an image. And because if someone wants to avoid non-free firmware they can install on a computer that doesn't require it--meaning that no non-free firmware can/will be loaded. So the entire benefit of this exercise is to not have "icky non-free firmware" sitting unused on the install media. That seems like an utterly trivial result which can't possibly justify the level of effort involved. As when this came up originally, I do not understand how it can be considered "freer" to actively prevent people from having an option, when those who don't want that option can simply not use it.
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