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Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades

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On 2025-03-06 09:13, Wookey wrote:
> Would it? Do we know why these things happened? K.C. does not say what
> he was upgrading from/to (so it wasn't a very useful report in that
> regard), but there has certainly been a long-term expectation that
> headless upgrades will work (and in my experience of 25 years now they
> always do (well done everyone - I am regularly impressed at how this
> usually doesn't break).

It was a Debian Buster on armv7l that I had forgotten, because it was 
running perfectly until now, but apps complained that the OS is no 
longer supported. That upgrade changed the ifname.
(The other issue happened either from bullseye to bookworm or after.)

I have done upgrades from buster to bullseye before (on amd64) and I 
never lost network connectivity even though the network interface name 
changed.
Maybe because those machines already used a different network setup. I 
don't really know. (It's been a while.)
This was the reason I was so startled that I couldn't connect anymore.
Yes, I had done updates where the ifname changed, but sorry that I 
forgot that fact, since it was rather a long time ago (epecially since I 
still had network access in my previous upgradres where that happened).

But I can only agree and I am equally impressed as Wookey how well 
dist-upgrades work.

I maybe should have mentioned that I have done countless updates before 
and never ran into any issues. Or at least I knew beforehand that I had 
to make changes that something like that might not happen.

Please note that I was not trying to blame Debian or package managers or 
anyone really. This was clearly my fault. I started this thread to begin 
a discussion whether there is an option to prevent something like that. 
An option that doesn't require me to read through 3000 lines of text. If 
not, it's fine.
If yes, it might be awesome to do so. That's all.

Cheers,
   K. C.

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Improvement of headless server upgrades "Helmut K. C. Tessarek" <tessarek@evermeet.cx> - 2025-03-05 03:40 +0100
  Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Fabio Fantoni <fantonifabio@tiscali.it> - 2025-03-05 10:30 +0100
  Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-03-05 16:10 +0100
    Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Michael Banck <mbanck@debian.org> - 2025-03-05 16:20 +0100
      Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2025-03-05 17:50 +0100
        Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2025-03-05 19:30 +0100
          Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-03-05 20:40 +0100
            Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-05 21:00 +0100
          Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades "Helmut K. C. Tessarek" <tessarek@evermeet.cx> - 2025-03-05 20:40 +0100
          Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2025-03-05 21:10 +0100
            Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-03-05 21:40 +0100
              Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2025-03-05 22:30 +0100
                Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-03-06 09:00 +0100
            Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades "Helmut K. C. Tessarek" <tessarek@evermeet.cx> - 2025-03-05 21:40 +0100
      Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades "Helmut K. C. Tessarek" <tessarek@evermeet.cx> - 2025-03-05 20:40 +0100
        Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-03-06 10:10 +0100
    Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-03-06 15:50 +0100
    Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Richard Lewis <richard.lewis.debian@googlemail.com> - 2025-03-07 01:50 +0100
  Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2025-03-06 06:50 +0100
    Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades "Helmut K. C. Tessarek" <tessarek@evermeet.cx> - 2025-03-07 00:10 +0100
  Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-03-06 09:50 +0100
    Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Fabio Fantoni <fantonifabio@tiscali.it> - 2025-03-06 11:30 +0100
    Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Wookey <wookey@wookware.org> - 2025-03-06 15:20 +0100
      Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2025-03-06 17:40 +0100
      Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2025-03-06 18:00 +0100
      Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades "Helmut K. C. Tessarek" <tessarek@evermeet.cx> - 2025-03-07 00:00 +0100
        Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades "Helmut K. C. Tessarek" <tessarek@evermeet.cx> - 2025-03-07 00:20 +0100

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