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Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades

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On Wed, Mar 05, 2025 at 10:12:05PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
>On 05.03.25 21:35, Marc Haber wrote:
>>And which of the millions of changes would that be that would break 
>>YOUR system?
>
>The number of changes that can adversely impact your ability to boot 
>*or* your network connectivity (but which won't fail the upgrade!) can 
>safely be assumed to be smaller than five or so.

And which of the millions are those five? Any small number of "false 
alerts" already will cause users to stop reading.

Maybe we could introduce a new header field where a package might create 
itself as "probably harmful to the reboot" (like grub, initramfs-tools, 
network-manager, systemd etc) and have their NEWS entries sorted first 
by apt-listchanges.

But I think that it is unrealistic to expect maintainers to classify 
their changes whether they might affect reboot.

Running a headless server without console access is a challenge. You 
_really_ need to know your way to debug such a situation. I don't think 
that we as a distribtion can change that.

In the current case, it's only a matter of hooking up a display and 
keyboard to a physically accessible system. It could be a housing server 
in a datacenter next time (been there, done that).

Greetings
Marc

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Improvement of headless server upgrades "Helmut K. C. Tessarek" <tessarek@evermeet.cx> - 2025-03-05 03:40 +0100
  Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Fabio Fantoni <fantonifabio@tiscali.it> - 2025-03-05 10:30 +0100
  Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-03-05 16:10 +0100
    Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Michael Banck <mbanck@debian.org> - 2025-03-05 16:20 +0100
      Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2025-03-05 17:50 +0100
        Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2025-03-05 19:30 +0100
          Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-03-05 20:40 +0100
            Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-05 21:00 +0100
          Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades "Helmut K. C. Tessarek" <tessarek@evermeet.cx> - 2025-03-05 20:40 +0100
          Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2025-03-05 21:10 +0100
            Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-03-05 21:40 +0100
              Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2025-03-05 22:30 +0100
                Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-03-06 09:00 +0100
            Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades "Helmut K. C. Tessarek" <tessarek@evermeet.cx> - 2025-03-05 21:40 +0100
      Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades "Helmut K. C. Tessarek" <tessarek@evermeet.cx> - 2025-03-05 20:40 +0100
        Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-03-06 10:10 +0100
    Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-03-06 15:50 +0100
    Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Richard Lewis <richard.lewis.debian@googlemail.com> - 2025-03-07 01:50 +0100
  Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2025-03-06 06:50 +0100
    Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades "Helmut K. C. Tessarek" <tessarek@evermeet.cx> - 2025-03-07 00:10 +0100
  Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-03-06 09:50 +0100
    Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Fabio Fantoni <fantonifabio@tiscali.it> - 2025-03-06 11:30 +0100
    Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Wookey <wookey@wookware.org> - 2025-03-06 15:20 +0100
      Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2025-03-06 17:40 +0100
      Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2025-03-06 18:00 +0100
      Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades "Helmut K. C. Tessarek" <tessarek@evermeet.cx> - 2025-03-07 00:00 +0100
        Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades "Helmut K. C. Tessarek" <tessarek@evermeet.cx> - 2025-03-07 00:20 +0100

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