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Bug#1090811: debian-installer: install linux-sysctl-defaults by default

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 04:24:49PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> > The linux-sysctl-defaults provides a "sysctl configuration file setting some
> > sensible defaults for Linux".  Among other things, the settings provided by
> > this package are needed in order to allow unprivileged users to run the
> > ping(8) command, now that ping is no longer installed with CAP_NET_RAW.
> > 
> > As linux-sysctl-defaults is not strictly required by iputils-ping or any
> > other components of the base install, it is only listed as a Recommends, and
> > as such it does not appear to be installed by default.  Thus I believe that
> > it should be added to the list of packages explicitly installed by default
> > during installation.
> > 
> > In theory, if we don't want to explicitly install the package in d-i,
> > another possibility might be to bump it to Priority: standard and let
> > tasksel install it.  I'm not sure what the tradeoffs might be that would
> > drive the decision one way or another.
> 
> In either case, I'd recommend discussing it on e.g. debian-devel@,
> hopefully getting a consensus, and coming back to us with the results.
> 
> I don't think the installer team should make that kind of decisions (in
> general), but if someone else is happy to take responsibility for this
> particular request, that's of course fine with me.
> 
> Regarding tasksel vs. Priority, the latter has a potential for a much
> wider impact: lots of Debian system are installed without d-i and/or
> tasksel, and most if not all would get the package via Priority. (Think
> of all the tools building Debian images, chroots, containers, etc., on
> top of debootstrap/mmdebstrap/etc.)

I'm not sure it's the case that most of those other systems install
Priority: standard.  Debootstrap certainly doesn't by itself, and I
don't think the debuerreotype tool for building OCI images does either.
In any case, your point still stands.  I'll re-assign this to general
for now, and we can discuss the options in a broader context.

FWIW, we have added linux-sysctl-defaults to the sid/trixie VM images
built by the cloud team.

noah

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Bug#1090811: debian-installer: install linux-sysctl-defaults by default Noah Meyerhans <noahm@debian.org> - 2024-12-19 16:20 +0100
  Bug#1090811: debian-installer: install linux-sysctl-defaults by default Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org> - 2024-12-19 16:30 +0100
    Bug#1090811: debian-installer: install linux-sysctl-defaults by default Noah Meyerhans <noahm@debian.org> - 2024-12-19 18:20 +0100
      Bug#1090811: debian-installer: install linux-sysctl-defaults by default Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-12-19 22:00 +0100
        Bug#1090811: debian-installer: install linux-sysctl-defaults by default Noah Meyerhans <noahm@debian.org> - 2024-12-19 22:40 +0100
          Bug#1090811: debian-installer: install linux-sysctl-defaults by default Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-12-19 23:10 +0100
      Bug#1090811: debian-installer: install linux-sysctl-defaults by default Tianon Gravi <tianon@debian.org> - 2024-12-20 01:00 +0100
        Bug#1090811: please set linux-sysctl-defaults to Priority: important Noah Meyerhans <noahm@debian.org> - 2024-12-22 16:10 +0100
          Bug#1090811: please set linux-sysctl-defaults to Priority: important Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-12-22 16:40 +0100
            Bug#1090811: please set linux-sysctl-defaults to Priority: important Noah Meyerhans <noahm@debian.org> - 2024-12-22 16:50 +0100
          Bug#1090811: please set linux-sysctl-defaults to Priority: important Salvatore Bonaccorso <carnil@debian.org> - 2025-01-01 07:20 +0100
            Bug#1090811: please set linux-sysctl-defaults to Priority: important Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org> - 2025-01-01 13:10 +0100
              Bug#1090811: please set linux-sysctl-defaults to Priority: important Salvatore Bonaccorso <carnil@debian.org> - 2025-01-01 14:10 +0100
      Bug#1090811: debian-installer: install linux-sysctl-defaults by default Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org> - 2024-12-20 02:20 +0100

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