Re: where is mail.log

From	Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: where is mail.log
Date	2024-11-30 18:00 +0100
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Hi,

On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 01:31:12PM +0100, pocket@homemail.com wrote:
> You did not comprehend what I posted.

I think it is you who are having problems reading.

> I am on the systemd mail list.
> They have dropped all sysV support.
> The only way you'll have init script support is if you rip out systemd.

Yes, that is what is being said: it is still possible to run Debian
without systemd. People are doing it. There are package maintainers that
wish to let people do it. Surprise! It's a funny old world.

> Since debian is using systemd for their init system debian will have
> to come into the here and now.

Have you been living under a rock for ten years? The only reason why
systemd is able to drop their svsv init script support is *because*
Debian has been ready to also do so for a long time! Nothing operates in
a vacuum. There are multiple Debian developers who are also systemd
developers. They have been working on the goal to make everything in
Debian have a native systemd service unit for a *long* time and we've
been at that stage for some time already. There is no "coming into the
here and now". We are here already because of work done in part by
Debian.

However it is also separately true that many packages still have a sysv
init script that their maintainers support for the purposes of having it
work without systemd. Though I have no interest in doing that personally.

What you seem to not understand is that it has been Debian policy for
*years* for packages to have systemd unit files, but it has not been
policy for packages to get rid of any existing or contributed sysv init
scripts. That is optional.

There's plenty of users who do need to "get into the here and now" (as
evidenced by this thread), but Debian itself has been there for a full
release cycle at least.

Thanks,
Andy

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where is mail.log Bitfox <hi@bitfox.ddns.net> - 2024-11-29 01:10 +0100
  Re: where is mail.log Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-29 01:20 +0100
    Re: where is mail.log "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-11-29 21:20 +0100
      Re: where is mail.log Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-29 21:30 +0100
        Re: where is mail.log gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-11-29 22:30 +0100
        Re: where is mail.log Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-11-30 14:40 +0100
          Re: where is mail.log "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-11-30 23:30 +0100
        Re: where is mail.log Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-03 04:10 +0100
          Re: where is mail.log Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-03 04:20 +0100
            Re: where is mail.log "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2024-12-03 10:30 +0100
      Re: where is mail.log Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-11-29 21:50 +0100
      Re: where is mail.log pocket@homemail.com - 2024-11-29 22:40 +0100
        Re: where is mail.log <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-11-30 07:40 +0100
          Re: where is mail.log Bitfox <bitfox@secubox.org> - 2024-11-30 13:40 +0100
            Re: where is mail.log Scott Andrews <pocket@homemail.com> - 2024-11-30 14:00 +0100
              Re: where is mail.log Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-11-30 15:10 +0100
            Re: where is mail.log <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-11-30 14:30 +0100
            Re: differences between sysvinit and systemd; was: where is mail.log Michael Kjörling <c9bc136c6063@ewoof.net> - 2024-11-30 14:30 +0100
              Re: differences between sysvinit and systemd; was: where is mail.log Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-30 15:10 +0100
                Re: differences between sysvinit and systemd Michael Kjörling <c9bc136c6063@ewoof.net> - 2024-11-30 16:50 +0100
            Re: where is mail.log Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-11-30 14:50 +0100
          Re: where is mail.log pocket@homemail.com - 2024-11-30 13:40 +0100
            Re: where is mail.log Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-11-30 18:00 +0100
              Re: where is mail.log Scott Andrews <pocket@homemail.com> - 2024-11-30 18:40 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-11-30 19:00 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log pocket@homemail.com - 2024-11-30 19:20 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-11-30 19:30 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-11-30 19:30 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-30 19:40 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-11-30 20:00 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-11-30 20:20 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log and the changing Linux ecosystem George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2024-12-01 01:10 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log and the changing Linux ecosystem Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-01 01:20 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log and the changing Linux ecosystem George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2024-12-01 01:30 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log and the changing Linux ecosystem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-01 07:20 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 17:30 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log Scott Andrews <pocket@homemail.com> - 2024-11-30 20:00 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-11-30 19:10 +0100
            Re: where is mail.log Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-12-02 13:10 +0100
  Re: where is mail.log Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2024-11-29 01:40 +0100
    Re: where is mail.log Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-29 03:10 +0100
      Re: where is mail.log Bitfox <hi@bitfox.ddns.net> - 2024-11-29 05:10 +0100
      Re: where is mail.log Bitfox <hi@bitfox.ddns.net> - 2024-11-29 11:40 +0100
        Re: where is mail.log George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2024-11-30 13:30 +0100
  Re: where is mail.log George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2024-11-29 03:50 +0100
  Re: where is mail.log Michael <ml@hemathor.de> - 2024-12-02 12:50 +0100
    Re: where is mail.log Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-12-02 13:10 +0100
      Re: where is mail.log Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-02 16:10 +0100
        Re: where is mail.log Michael <ml@hemathor.de> - 2024-12-03 11:20 +0100

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