Re: where is mail.log

From	gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: where is mail.log
Date	2024-11-29 22:30 +0100
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On 11/29/24 15:29, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 15:13:24 -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
>> On Thursday 28 November 2024 07:15:48 pm Greg Wooledge wrote:
>>> Install the rsyslog package also.  This will give you traditional,
>>> human-readable log files in /var/log/.
>>>
>>> Without that package, all of your logs live in systemd's journal.
>>> You should be able to find them there, with some effort, but many
>>> people (including me) prefer to have text files in /var/log/.
>>
>> What's gained by them having changed this?  (I wonder that about a lot of stuff.)
> 
> My understanding is that the systemd journal Is Not Going Away And Tough
> Nuts To You If You Don't Like It.  With that in mind, the human-readable
> log files were considered redundant, and removing rsyslog from the
> default package set reduces "wasted" disk space storing two copies of
> the same logs.
> 
> Now, you might ask why the systemd journal is being preferred and kept
> over human-readable log files.  I don't think anyone on debian-user
> knows the answer to this.
> 
> So, I would advise not bothering to ask here.

We are of like minds on this Greg.

I let synaptic update what I thought was just ghostscript about 2 weeks 
back, but by the time it was done I had lost the two brother printers I 
have, and had to use brothers installer scripts to renew the Brother 
drivers from Brothers own repositories. Then they worked again to their 
full capabilities as advertised on the box.

Why must there be a constant war between a companies products that 
supports their own printers on linux systems?  This isn't Epson or Canon 
who spits on linux every time they make a new printer or scanner, this 
is Brother, who _does_ /fully support/ their product on linux. Stop it.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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where is mail.log Bitfox <hi@bitfox.ddns.net> - 2024-11-29 01:10 +0100
  Re: where is mail.log Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-29 01:20 +0100
    Re: where is mail.log "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-11-29 21:20 +0100
      Re: where is mail.log Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-29 21:30 +0100
        Re: where is mail.log gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-11-29 22:30 +0100
        Re: where is mail.log Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-11-30 14:40 +0100
          Re: where is mail.log "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2024-11-30 23:30 +0100
        Re: where is mail.log Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-03 04:10 +0100
          Re: where is mail.log Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-03 04:20 +0100
            Re: where is mail.log "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2024-12-03 10:30 +0100
      Re: where is mail.log Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-11-29 21:50 +0100
      Re: where is mail.log pocket@homemail.com - 2024-11-29 22:40 +0100
        Re: where is mail.log <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-11-30 07:40 +0100
          Re: where is mail.log Bitfox <bitfox@secubox.org> - 2024-11-30 13:40 +0100
            Re: where is mail.log Scott Andrews <pocket@homemail.com> - 2024-11-30 14:00 +0100
              Re: where is mail.log Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-11-30 15:10 +0100
            Re: where is mail.log <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-11-30 14:30 +0100
            Re: differences between sysvinit and systemd; was: where is mail.log Michael Kjörling <c9bc136c6063@ewoof.net> - 2024-11-30 14:30 +0100
              Re: differences between sysvinit and systemd; was: where is mail.log Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-30 15:10 +0100
                Re: differences between sysvinit and systemd Michael Kjörling <c9bc136c6063@ewoof.net> - 2024-11-30 16:50 +0100
            Re: where is mail.log Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-11-30 14:50 +0100
          Re: where is mail.log pocket@homemail.com - 2024-11-30 13:40 +0100
            Re: where is mail.log Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-11-30 18:00 +0100
              Re: where is mail.log Scott Andrews <pocket@homemail.com> - 2024-11-30 18:40 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-11-30 19:00 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log pocket@homemail.com - 2024-11-30 19:20 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-11-30 19:30 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-11-30 19:30 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-30 19:40 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-11-30 20:00 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-11-30 20:20 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log and the changing Linux ecosystem George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2024-12-01 01:10 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log and the changing Linux ecosystem Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-01 01:20 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log and the changing Linux ecosystem George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2024-12-01 01:30 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log and the changing Linux ecosystem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-01 07:20 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 17:30 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log Scott Andrews <pocket@homemail.com> - 2024-11-30 20:00 +0100
                Re: where is mail.log Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-11-30 19:10 +0100
            Re: where is mail.log Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-12-02 13:10 +0100
  Re: where is mail.log Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2024-11-29 01:40 +0100
    Re: where is mail.log Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-11-29 03:10 +0100
      Re: where is mail.log Bitfox <hi@bitfox.ddns.net> - 2024-11-29 05:10 +0100
      Re: where is mail.log Bitfox <hi@bitfox.ddns.net> - 2024-11-29 11:40 +0100
        Re: where is mail.log George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2024-11-30 13:30 +0100
  Re: where is mail.log George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> - 2024-11-29 03:50 +0100
  Re: where is mail.log Michael <ml@hemathor.de> - 2024-12-02 12:50 +0100
    Re: where is mail.log Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-12-02 13:10 +0100
      Re: where is mail.log Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-02 16:10 +0100
        Re: where is mail.log Michael <ml@hemathor.de> - 2024-12-03 11:20 +0100

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