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Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2

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Hello Mo Zhou,

Mo Zhou dijo [Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 10:41:12AM -0700]:
> Hi folks,
> 
> While diverse issues persist, the world and the software ecosystem is still
> proceeding with the advancement of AI. As a particular type of software, AI is
> quite different from the paradigm of traditional software, since there are
> more components involved as an integral parts of the AI system. People
> gradually realize the Open Source Definition[3], derived from DFSG[4], could
> no longer cover AI software very well.
> (...)

I thank you wholeheartedly for bringing up this important topic, and for doing
so this quickly (given the OSAID was just approved this past weekend).

I am still starting to read the answers to your mail. I believe starting a GR is
a step in the right direction, as it is our only way to (formally) query the
opinion of all of the project's members and coming up with a strong declaration
(of course, risking it to be... for, against, or many flavors of NotA 😉). I
agree, of course, with Zack: A vote is not a good tool to build consensus. It
is, however, the right tool to find the opinion of everybody who cares to voice
it. And it is useful for speaking out a clear voice in the name of the whole
project.

As for the scope of this decision coinciding with the ftpmasters' delegation, I
agree it is a tough spot; it would have to be carefully worded (and, if
possible, done so with the participation of ftpmasters, when we know their
position on this issue).

But I believe this issue goes beyond just interpreting the OSAID regarding works
to be included in (or kept from being so) in Debian: while ftpmasters are the
team deciding NEW acceptance, they could base their decision on a project's GR
-- and a GR on this topic would also send a clear signal, even to works not yet
submitted to Debian, on where our collective position is. This can steer people
to license their datasets in ways better aligned with our understanding of what
should be called Free Software (the DFSG) or, in any case, a document better
accepted than the OSAID. (of course, I'm assuming the project would vote against
accepting the OSAID as valid for us -- I can be, naturally, surprised). Debian
can be a referent to other Free Software projects on a position to take before
our ecosystem is forever changed.

I'll do my best to follow this thread, as it is IMO fundamental to a very large
application area we have to cater for.

    - Gunnar.

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Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 Mo Zhou <lumin@debian.org> - 2024-10-26 20:10 +0200
  Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> - 2024-10-26 22:30 +0200
  Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 David Bremner <david@tethera.net> - 2024-10-27 14:00 +0100
    Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> - 2024-10-27 16:50 +0100
      Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 David Bremner <david@tethera.net> - 2024-10-27 17:50 +0100
  Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2024-10-28 13:20 +0100
  Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> - 2024-10-29 12:20 +0100
    Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> - 2024-10-29 17:20 +0100
    Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> - 2024-10-29 18:30 +0100
    Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2024-10-30 08:50 +0100
  Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2024-10-30 08:50 +0100

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