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Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2

From David Bremner <david@tethera.net>
Newsgroups linux.debian.project
Subject Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2
Date 2024-10-27 14:00 +0100
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Mo Zhou <lumin@debian.org> writes:

> My mind remains mostly the same from 6 years ago. And after 5~6 years,
> the most important concept in ML-Policy remains to be ToxicCandy,
> which is exactly AI released under open source license with their
> training data hidden.

Although I'm not involved with machine learning (aka "AI") in Debian, I
do feel pretty strongly that secret training data is wrong for software
in Debian main. So consider this a note of support.

While I agree with Stefano's later followup that GR's are not good tools
for building concensus, I'm not sure such policy decision is really in
the spirit of the FTP master delegation. I recognize that my skepticism
is influenced by the fact that I would consider following the proposed
"OSAID" model to be a substantial weakening of the DFSG. 

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Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 Mo Zhou <lumin@debian.org> - 2024-10-26 20:10 +0200
  Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> - 2024-10-26 22:30 +0200
  Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 David Bremner <david@tethera.net> - 2024-10-27 14:00 +0100
    Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> - 2024-10-27 16:50 +0100
      Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 David Bremner <david@tethera.net> - 2024-10-27 17:50 +0100
  Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2024-10-28 13:20 +0100
  Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> - 2024-10-29 12:20 +0100
    Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> - 2024-10-29 17:20 +0100
    Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> - 2024-10-29 18:30 +0100
    Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2024-10-30 08:50 +0100
  Re: Concerns regarding the "Open Source AI Definition" 1.0-RC2 Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2024-10-30 08:50 +0100

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