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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] |
| Date | 2024-02-11 16:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <I6jWi-9shk-5@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
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On Sun 11 Feb 2024 at 09:54:24 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 03:45:21PM +0100, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 09:37:31AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 08:02:12AM +0100, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > > What Thomas was trying to do is to get a cheap, fast random number
> > > > generator. Shred seems to have such.
> > >
> > > Well... I certainly wouldn't call it a bug. Maybe a feature request.
> >
> > Still there's the discrepancy between doc and behaviour.
>
> There isn't. The documentation says:
>
> SYNOPSIS
> shred [OPTION]... FILE...
>
> DESCRIPTION
> Overwrite the specified FILE(s) repeatedly, in order to make it harder
> for even very expensive hardware probing to recover the data.
>
> If FILE is -, shred standard output.
>
> In every sentence, the word FILE appears. There's nothing in there
> which says "you can operate on a non-file".
>
> Once you grasp what the command is *intended* to do (rewind and overwrite
> a file repeatedly), it makes absolutely perfect sense that it should
> only operate on rewindable file system objects.
>
> If you want it to write a stream of data instead of performing its normal
> operation (rewinding and rewriting), that's a new feature.
>
> If you'd prefer the documentation to say explicitly "only regular files
> and block devices are allowed", that would be an upstream documentation
> *clarification* request.
Perhaps info puts it better?
A FILE of ‘-’ denotes standard output. The intended use of this is
to shred a removed temporary file. For example:
i=$(mktemp)
exec 3<>"$i"
rm -- "$i"
echo "Hello, world" >&3
shred - >&3
exec 3>-
However, the command ‘shred - >file’ does not shred the contents of
FILE, since the shell truncates FILE before invoking ‘shred’. Use
the command ‘shred file’ or (if using a Bourne-compatible shell) the
command ‘shred - 1<>file’ instead.
Cheers,
David.
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Unidentified subject! gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-07 21:40 +0100
Re: Unidentified subject! Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-02-08 05:30 +0100
Re: Unidentified subject! gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-10 11:00 +0100
Re: Unidentified subject! "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-10 11:40 +0100
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Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] tomas@tuxteam.de - 2024-02-10 14:00 +0100
Re: shred bug? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-10 15:00 +0100
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Re: shred bug? Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-10 14:40 +0100
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Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-11 01:10 +0100
Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-11 01:20 +0100
Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-11 01:30 +0100
Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2024-02-11 14:00 +0100
Re: shred bug? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-11 14:30 +0100
Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-02-11 08:10 +0100
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Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-13 13:40 +0100
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