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Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!]

From <tomas@tuxteam.de>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!]
Date 2024-02-11 08:10 +0100
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On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 07:10:54PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 04:05:21PM -0800, David Christensen wrote:
> > 2024-02-10 16:03:50 dpchrist@laalaa ~
> > $ shred -s 1K - | wc -c
> > shred: -: invalid file type
> > 0
> > 
> > 
> > It looks like a shred(1) needs a bug report.
> 
> I'm confused what you expected this command to do.  You wanted to
> "destroy" (by overwriting with random data) a pipe to wc?  What
> would that even look like?

What Thomas was trying to do is to get a cheap, fast random number
generator. Shred seems to have such.

> The basic premise of shred is that it determines the size of the file,
> then writes data over it, rewinds it, and repeats this a few times.
> A pipe to a process has no size, and can't be rewound.

That's right: stdout is a (potentially) infinite file, so only one
pass (-n 1, as Thomas put in the command line) really makes sense.
Unless you are into transfinite numbers, that is :-)

> Declaring a pipe to be an "invalid file type" for shredding sounds
> pretty reasonable to me.

This is one of those cases of the toolmaker knowing better than the
tool user. One of the things I like UNIX is that this attitude isn't
that widespread (it is slowly spreading, alas). I much prefer those
tool makers who say "surprise me".

Of course, helping people to not shoot themselves in the foot is
also a honourable endeavour. So "you are trying to shred a pipe.
Use option -f for that (see the manual page" would be fully OK
in my book.

I don't like opinionated software. It's messy enough as it is
when people have opinions :-)

Cheers
-- 
t

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Unidentified subject! gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-07 21:40 +0100
  Re: Unidentified subject! Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-02-08 05:30 +0100
    Re: Unidentified subject! gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-10 11:00 +0100
      Re: Unidentified subject! "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-10 11:40 +0100
        shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-02-10 13:50 +0100
          Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] tomas@tuxteam.de - 2024-02-10 14:00 +0100
            Re: shred bug? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-10 15:00 +0100
              Re: shred bug? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-02-10 15:40 +0100
          Re: shred bug? Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-10 14:40 +0100
          Re: shred bug? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-10 14:40 +0100
          Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-11 01:10 +0100
            Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-11 01:20 +0100
              Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-11 01:30 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2024-02-11 14:00 +0100
                Re: shred bug? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-11 14:30 +0100
              Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-02-11 08:10 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-11 15:40 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-02-11 15:50 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-11 16:00 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-02-11 16:00 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-12 18:00 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-02-12 18:00 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-12 22:00 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-12 22:10 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-02-13 06:50 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-02-11 16:30 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-13 13:20 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-13 13:40 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-02-13 13:50 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-13 14:00 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-02-13 16:40 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-13 17:30 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2024-02-13 18:50 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-13 22:10 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-02-14 06:50 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-13 19:00 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-13 20:00 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-13 20:40 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-13 20:40 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-13 20:50 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-13 21:30 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-13 22:10 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-13 22:50 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-02-15 06:40 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-11 23:50 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 03:40 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-11 16:30 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-02-16 16:00 +0100
        Re: Unidentified subject! gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-10 18:50 +0100
          Re: Unidentified subject! "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-10 19:40 +0100
            Re: Unidentified subject! gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-10 20:30 +0100
            Re: Unidentified subject! David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-11 00:50 +0100
              Re: Unidentified subject! "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-11 09:10 +0100
                Re: Unidentified subject! David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-11 21:50 +0100
        Re: Unidentified subject! David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-11 00:40 +0100
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            Re: Unidentified subject! David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-11 11:10 +0100
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                Re: Fast Random Data Generation (Was: Re: Unidentified subject!) Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-11 13:20 +0100
                Re: Fast Random Data Generation (Was: Re: Unidentified subject!) David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-12 07:20 +0100
                Re: Fast Random Data Generation (Was: Re: Unidentified subject!) Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2024-02-12 17:40 +0100
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        Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-02-08 21:50 +0100
          Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-08 22:00 +0100
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          Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage  (WasRe: Unidentified subject!) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-09 14:00 +0100
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            Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage  (WasRe: Unidentified subject!) David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-10 07:00 +0100
              Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage(WasRe:  Unidentified subject!) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-10 18:40 +0100
      Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-02-08 21:40 +0100
        Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Arno Lehmann <al@its-lehmann.de> - 2024-02-09 09:50 +0100
    Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-02-08 18:30 +0100
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        Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-08 22:10 +0100
          Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-02-08 22:20 +0100
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