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Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was Re: Unidentified subject!)

From Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was Re: Unidentified subject!)
Date 2024-02-08 20:30 +0100
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On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 11:57 AM Ralph Aichinger <ra@h5.or.at> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2024-02-08 at 15:36 +0000, Andy Smith wrote:
> > USB storage is for phones and cameras etc, not for serious
> > computing. Many people will disagree with that statement and say
> > they use it all the time and it is fine.
>
> I am clearly in the latter camp. This mail is delivered via a Raspberry
> Pi 4 that has a 500G USB SSD. Before the Pi4 I used a Pi3 and a Pi2 (I
> think) with USB disks (first rotating, then SSD). Probably for 5 years
> or so. Never had a problem (unlike with the SD cards I used before, SD
> cards always died on me from to many writes after a few months).
>
> > They will keep saying that
> > until it isn't fine, and then they'll be in a world of hurt.
>
> This is the same with any hard disk or SSD. If you buy the most
> expensive "enterprise" disk, with SAS or whatever, it still can
> break on the next day, taking all your data with you.
>
> Actually with USB disks, sometimes you can remove the USB
> controller, replace it in case of breakage, giving you more
> or less the same reliability as any "normal" disk.
> I've never had USB controllers break, though, so I do not
> care. I just take backups as with any other disk.
>
> > I learned not to go there a long time ago and have seen plenty of
> > reminders along the way from others' misfortunes to not ever go
> > there again myself.
>
> How does a breaking USB disk differ from a breaking SATA disk?

I may be mistaken, but I believe AS is talking about USB thumb drives,
SDcards and the like. I don't think he's talking about external SSD's
and NVME's over USB. But I don't want to put words in his mouth.

My experience with SDcards and thumb drives is along the lines of
AS's. I own a lot of dev boards (dating back to the early 2010's) for
testing, and I could go through a storage device, like an SDcard, in
about 6 months. But I would also add a swap file to the installation
because the dev boards were so resource constrained. You simply can't
run a C++ compiler on a Beagleboard with 256MB of RAM. The swap file,
even with a low swappiness, would eat up SDcards and thumb drives.

Jeff

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Unidentified subject! gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-07 21:40 +0100
  Re: Unidentified subject! Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-02-08 05:30 +0100
    Re: Unidentified subject! gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-10 11:00 +0100
      Re: Unidentified subject! "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-10 11:40 +0100
        shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-02-10 13:50 +0100
          Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] tomas@tuxteam.de - 2024-02-10 14:00 +0100
            Re: shred bug? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-10 15:00 +0100
              Re: shred bug? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-02-10 15:40 +0100
          Re: shred bug? Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-10 14:40 +0100
          Re: shred bug? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-10 14:40 +0100
          Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-11 01:10 +0100
            Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-11 01:20 +0100
              Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-11 01:30 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2024-02-11 14:00 +0100
                Re: shred bug? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-11 14:30 +0100
              Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-02-11 08:10 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-11 15:40 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-02-11 15:50 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-11 16:00 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-02-11 16:00 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-12 18:00 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2024-02-12 18:00 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-12 22:00 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-12 22:10 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-02-13 06:50 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-02-11 16:30 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-13 13:20 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-13 13:40 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-02-13 13:50 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-13 14:00 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-02-13 16:40 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-13 17:30 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2024-02-13 18:50 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-13 22:10 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-02-14 06:50 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-13 19:00 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-13 20:00 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-13 20:40 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-13 20:40 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-13 20:50 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-13 21:30 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-13 22:10 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-13 22:50 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-02-15 06:40 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-11 23:50 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 03:40 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-11 16:30 +0100
                Re: shred bug? [was: Unidentified subject!] Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-02-16 16:00 +0100
        Re: Unidentified subject! gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-10 18:50 +0100
          Re: Unidentified subject! "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-10 19:40 +0100
            Re: Unidentified subject! gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-10 20:30 +0100
            Re: Unidentified subject! David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-11 00:50 +0100
              Re: Unidentified subject! "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-11 09:10 +0100
                Re: Unidentified subject! David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-11 21:50 +0100
        Re: Unidentified subject! David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-11 00:40 +0100
          Re: Unidentified subject! "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-11 09:20 +0100
            Re: Unidentified subject! David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-11 11:10 +0100
              Fast Random Data Generation (Was: Re: Unidentified subject!) Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2024-02-11 11:30 +0100
                Re: Fast Random Data Generation "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-11 12:30 +0100
                Re: Fast Random Data Generation (Was: Re: Unidentified subject!) Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-11 13:20 +0100
                Re: Fast Random Data Generation (Was: Re: Unidentified subject!) David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-12 07:20 +0100
                Re: Fast Random Data Generation (Was: Re: Unidentified subject!) Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2024-02-12 17:40 +0100
                Re: Fast Random Data Generation (Was: Re: Unidentified subject!) David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-12 22:30 +0100
                Re: Fast Random Data Generation (Was: Re: Unidentified subject!) Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2024-02-13 18:40 +0100
                Re: Fast Random Data Generation (Was: Re: Unidentified subject!) Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-02-12 22:30 +0100
              Re: Unidentified subject! "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-11 12:20 +0100
                Re: Unidentified subject! Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 16:20 +0100
                Re: Unidentified subject! David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-11 23:00 +0100
      Re: Unidentified subject! Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-02-10 15:40 +0100
  Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was Re:  Unidentified subject!) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-02-08 16:40 +0100
    Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-08 17:20 +0100
      Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-02-08 17:30 +0100
      Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage  (WasRe: Unidentified subject!) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-09 09:50 +0100
    Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Ralph Aichinger <ra@h5.or.at> - 2024-02-08 18:00 +0100
      Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-02-08 20:30 +0100
        Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-02-08 21:50 +0100
        Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-02-08 21:50 +0100
          Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-08 22:00 +0100
            Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-02-08 22:20 +0100
              Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-02-08 22:30 +0100
                Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-08 23:10 +0100
              Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-08 22:30 +0100
          Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage  (WasRe: Unidentified subject!) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-09 14:00 +0100
            Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-02-09 14:50 +0100
            Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage  (WasRe: Unidentified subject!) David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-02-10 07:00 +0100
              Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage(WasRe:  Unidentified subject!) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-02-10 18:40 +0100
      Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-02-08 21:40 +0100
        Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Arno Lehmann <al@its-lehmann.de> - 2024-02-09 09:50 +0100
    Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-02-08 18:30 +0100
      Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-02-08 21:40 +0100
        Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-08 22:10 +0100
          Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was  Re: Unidentified subject!) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-02-08 22:20 +0100
  Re: Unidentified subject! Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-02-08 23:50 +0100
    Re: Unidentified subject! Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-02-09 00:10 +0100
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            Re: Unidentified flying subject! Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-02-09 14:20 +0100

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