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Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images

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On Fri, Nov 03, 2023 at 12:22:36PM -0400, Daniel Gnoutcheff wrote:
> > The best answer is if the board has been supported for a while by
> > Armbian then that is probably a better choice than a less well
> > supported/documented manufacturer specific build of Debian.
> 
> Oh, I should clarify.  By "official Debian binaries and images" I meant
> to say "pure" or "mainline" Debian as distributed from *.debian.org. Yes, a
> bespoke "Debian" image from the hardware vendor is, indeed, out of the
> question.  ARMbian is better, but I know and deeply trust the Debian project
> and would prefer to use their releases over those from a derivative like
> ARMbian.
> 

I think you've hit the curse of almost all ARM single board computers.
Almost all are small production runs / out of East Asia somewhere as
"prototypes"** with a board support package (BSP) that's probably just
the manufacturer's kernel, u-boot and dtbs.

** Pine64, I'm looking at you: I have to buy from an EU distributor
to get longer than 30 days support.

With the caveat of almost no upstream support, Armbian will package the BSP
and do their best.

The manufacturer may have their "own" Debian remix but you're on your own
when it comes to adding "official" Debian packages.

The way round this is to build u-boot or reverse-enginer the settings then
do the same for a kernel, dtb and then debootstrap Debian yourself
 - that's exactly the sort of thing that folk do to get their boards 
"supported in Debian" - folk like vagrantc and gwolf.
Painful isn't in it - there's a reason why there are relatively few
boards supported in the SD card images list.

This is one of the reasons why only some of the BananaPi variants are
supported - there's a new variant very regularly and the amount of work
needed to get a board supported can be significant. If nobody has that
board, it's going to be hard to get support, for example.
[That's also why I keep asking Gene whether he's running vanilla Debian
or not].

> Thanks,
> Daniel G.
>

Good luck with it all

Andy 

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Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images Daniel Gnoutcheff <gnoutchd@softwarefreedom.org> - 2023-11-01 23:50 +0100
  Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images yxcv@vienna.at - 2023-11-02 01:10 +0100
    Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images jeremy ardley <jeremy.ardley@gmail.com> - 2023-11-02 04:10 +0100
      Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images Daniel Gnoutcheff <gnoutchd@softwarefreedom.org> - 2023-11-03 17:40 +0100
        Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-11-03 18:50 +0100
        Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images jeremy ardley <jeremy.ardley@gmail.com> - 2023-11-03 22:30 +0100
          Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-11-04 00:20 +0100
          Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2023-11-04 17:40 +0100
        Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-11-05 23:30 +0100
          Debian support for ARM SBCs (was: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-11-06 00:50 +0100
            Re: Debian support for ARM SBCs (was: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B  using SD-card-images) "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-11-06 08:20 +0100
          Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-11-06 01:20 +0100
          Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images jeremy ardley <jeremy.ardley@gmail.com> - 2023-11-06 02:40 +0100
            Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-11-06 08:30 +0100
              Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images jeremy ardley <jeremy.ardley@gmail.com> - 2023-11-06 11:20 +0100
    Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2023-11-02 08:50 +0100
      Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images yxcv@vienna.at - 2023-11-02 08:50 +0100
        Re: Installing on Radxa Rock Pi 4B using SD-card-images Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2023-11-02 09:20 +0100

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