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Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.

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On 08/06/2011 09:04, Brendan Miller wrote:

> Secondly, programmers no longer expect to have to buy books. Personally,
> when I learn a new language now, I expect there to be free online
> documentation. Python, Ruby, Java, C#, Haskell, Clojure, etc, all have
> free authoritative online references for their standard library and
> language.

And which of those languages did you learn from its 'Standard'? It is the authoritative references and tutorials that are useful. And learning a langauge as large as C++ involves learning a useful subset (and progressively extending that). The Standard is not really accessible as a vehicle for learning a useful subset of C++.

People's energies would be much better directed to encouraging gifted teachers to share their insights. Note that very few books on programming generate royalties in excess of $10000, yet they take much longer to write and hone than it takes to earn $50000 for consultancy or course presentation. (Perhaps that is an excuse for the way certain commercial authors continually plagiarise themselves by copying vast chunks of earlier books - warts errors and all - into their latest offering)


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> I think that the "programmers will buy a bunch of books to learn a
> language" expectation comes from an era before the internet.

Anyone who expects to learn the whole of C++ ever has an unreasonable expectation. The real power of C++ is not in the Standard but the insightful way that talented individuals have used it.

I find it hard to grasp an economic model where talented people work for free. What does happen is that some talented people place some of their work online. This leads to them being employed in various ways. Even those who write for 'profit' largely earn their living through highly paid tutorial and consultancy work.


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  Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Pete Becker <pete@versatilecoding.com> - 2011-06-06 12:44 -0600
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