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Re: sata driver compataility Q

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On 9/16/23 19:46, David Christensen wrote:
> On 9/15/23 19:37, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 9/15/23 20:12, David Christensen wrote:
>>> On 9/15/23 15:04, gene heskett wrote:
>>>> On 9/15/23 17:35, David Christensen wrote:
>>>>> On 9/15/23 12:28, gene heskett wrote:
>>>>>> I've just ordered some stuff to rebuild or expand my Raid setup.
>>>>>> This 16 port sata-III pci-e card:
>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09L184W57?smid=A2H818KAC5I4D1&ref_=chk_typ_imgToDp&th=1>
>>>>>> along with a bigger drive cage, cables and such and some gigastone 
>>>>>> 2T drives to make a raid big enough to run amanda. And maybe put a 
>>>>>> new card in front of my 2T /home raid10.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is everything going into one chassis?  Have you considered an 
>>>>> external drive chassis?
>>>>
>>>> Got one of those coming too. Small possibility it will fit it the 
>>>> bottom of this huge and old tiger direct tower.  Because the 
>>>> radiator for the 6 core i5 is too tall, it hasn't had a side cover 
>>>> on it in years. If not, theres a 3 3.5" cage at the bottom of the 
>>>> stack I can stuff  with 2 SSD's per bay slot. A hidey place, front 
>>>> cover is solid, but cooling might be a problem. If worse comes to 
>>>> worse I could shoe-goo a 120x15 to the side of the cage.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is what I meant:
>>>
>>>      https://www.pc-pitstop.com/16-bay-25inch-sas-sata-jbod-tower
>>
>> Call me cheap, my choice is diy assembly, SS stampings you put 
>> together, all drive brackets and a dozen cables and a 5 drive power 
>> splitter, $30.
>> Less than 5% of the price of that nice looking box.
> 
> 
> Fair enough.
> 
> 
> Searching the mailing list archive, it appears that you have an Asus 
> PRIME Z370-A II motherboard (?):
> 
> 
> https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-z370-a-ii/
> 
> 
> And, an Intel Core i5 processor (?).  Which model?

cpuinfo can't copy/paste, 6 core, i5-9600K CPU @ 3.70GHz but apparently 
very pushable, I ran one cycle of memtester pointed at 16G's and saw it 
above 4300 mhz a couple times, and that core hit 51C, which is 20C 
hotter than its ever run b4. With my intermittent load it often loafs at 
800 mhz & 29C, 33C when OpenSCAD is munching on something I've designed.

> How many GB of OS and apps do you have?  Home directory?  Bulk data? 
> Amanda backups?  VM's?  Other?
> 
> 
> While researching this thread, I came across an HBA that may interest 
> both of us:
> 
> 
>      https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09L3GLCL9
> 
Thats nice but only an x4 for $117, how about an x16, which I have an 
empty slot for a full length X16 at $160:
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09K5GLJ8D/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?pd_rd_i=B09K5GLJ8D&pd_rd_w=uURqc&content-id=amzn1.sym.386c274b-4bfe-4421-9052-a1a56db557ab&pf_rd_p=386c274b-4bfe-4421-9052-a1a56db557ab&pf_rd_r=VS9WAJ20QJWARTNAFRHD&pd_rd_wg=yO0Xv&pd_rd_r=fa3d74b2-3aa8-4d29-b549-1cf579949c11&s=pc&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWxfdGhlbWF0aWM&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzNzVCT0w1MVhVSkpRJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwODc2OTQ3M0YxSkhTSzdZQUpSSyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNTMyMjkxMTVOQUNFNEhLMFZPTyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2RldGFpbF90aGVtYXRpYyZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1>

Or is the jmicron x4 better supported?
> 
> 4x the bandwidth (3.94 GB/s), 8 more SATA ports (24 total), and $42.31 
> higher price ($117.30).  I would prefer this card for the bandwidth 
> alone, and I never know when I might need those extra ports to 
> temporarily connect a bunch of disks from other machines.
> 
> 
> If your goal is maximum capacity at minimum cost, HDD's have larger 
> capacity, lower bandwidth, and lower cost per TB than SSD's -- per bay, 
> per drive, and per port.  Port multiplication makes sense with HDD's.
> 
> 
> For file server and backup server roles, I use ZFS with HDD primary 
> storage devices and full bandwidth HBA.  Read performance, write 
> performance, and capacity utilization can be improved with ZFS 
> compression, read performance can be improved with an SSD cache vdev 
> (virtual device; e.g. partition), and write performance can be improved 
> with SSD intent log vdev (mirror of partitions).  For the backup server 
> role, capacity utilization can be improved with ZFS deduplication and an 
> SSD dedup vdev (mirror of partitions).
> 
> 
> Regardless of what you do with HBA's, I would connect the six SSD's to 
> the six motherboard SATA III ports.
> 
Which would tie them up. Is that the faster solution, moving the 
opticals to a different card? The question then is can the bios see them 
to boot from them?

I did grab what I think is a newer bios yesterday but haven't tried to 
install it yet.
  mt86plus_6.20_64.grub.iso.zip
> 
> A fresh install of  Debian stable or old-stable should solve the storage 
> I/O stuttering problems you are experiencing.  (That motherboard has 
> dual M.2 ports.  Installing Debian onto an M.2 PCIE 3.0 x4 SSD would be 
> very nice.)
> 
I know zip about the new m2 stuff. Link to good info appreciated. I 
didn't use it originally because I couldn't find the m2 sockets but 
probably didn't look too hard as I was more concerned with getting 
another system built after a usb socket on the previous occupant of that 
space caught fire and tried to burn the place down.

Can you find a link showing where the m2 memory is plugged in?
My 32G is in the dimm sockets.
> 
> David
> 
> .
Thank you David.  Take care & stay well.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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sata driver compataility Q gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-09-15 21:30 +0200
  Re: sata driver compataility Q David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-09-15 23:40 +0200
    Re: sata driver compataility Q gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-09-16 00:10 +0200
      Re: sata driver compataility Q David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-09-16 02:20 +0200
        Re: sata driver compataility Q gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-09-16 04:40 +0200
          Re: sata driver compataility Q David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-09-17 01:50 +0200
            Re: sata driver compataility Q gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-09-17 12:30 +0200
              Re: sata driver compataility Q "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-09-17 22:10 +0200
              Re: sata driver compataility Q David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-09-18 00:00 +0200
                Re: sata driver compataility Q gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-09-18 03:20 +0200
                Re: sata driver compataility Q David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-09-18 09:40 +0200

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