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Re: sata driver compataility Q

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On 9/17/23 17:52, David Christensen wrote:
> On 9/17/23 03:26, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 9/16/23 19:46, David Christensen wrote:
>>> On 9/15/23 19:37, gene heskett wrote:
>>>> On 9/15/23 20:12, David Christensen wrote:
>>>>> On 9/15/23 15:04, gene heskett wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/15/23 17:35, David Christensen wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/15/23 12:28, gene heskett wrote:
>>>>>>>> I've just ordered some stuff to rebuild or expand my Raid setup.
>>>>>>>> This 16 port sata-III pci-e card:
>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09L184W57?smid=A2H818KAC5I4D1&ref_=chk_typ_imgToDp&th=1>
>>>>>>>> along with a bigger drive cage, cables and such and some 
>>>>>>>> gigastone 2T drives to make a raid big enough to run amanda. And 
>>>>>>>> maybe put a new card in front of my 2T /home raid10.
>>>
>>> Searching the mailing list archive, it appears that you have an Asus 
>>> PRIME Z370-A II motherboard (?):
>>>
>>> https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-z370-a-ii/
>>>
>>> And, an Intel Core i5 processor (?).  Which model?
>>
>> cpuinfo can't copy/paste, 6 core, i5-9600K CPU @ 3.70GHz ...
> 
> 
> Okay.  I do not overclock, but the "K" suffix processor is usually the 
> fastest OOTB in a given series.
> 
> 
>>> How many GB of OS and apps do you have?  Home directory?  Bulk data? 
>>> Amanda backups?  VM's?  Other?
> 
> 
> Knowing how much and what kind of live, backup, and whatever data you 
> have would help us make better suggestions for storage.  Similarly, your 
> drives, HBA's, chassis, and chassis mods (notably drive bays).
> 
> 
>>> While researching this thread, I came across an HBA that may interest 
>>> both of us:
>>>
>>>      https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09L3GLCL9
>>>
>>> 4x the bandwidth (3.94 GB/s), 8 more SATA ports (24 total), and $42.31
>>> higher price ($117.30).  I would prefer this card for the bandwidth
>>> alone, and I never know when I might need those extra ports to
>>> temporarily connect a bunch of disks from other machines.
> 
> There is an Amazon review that states the IO CREST is PCIe 3.0 x2 
> electrically.  If correct, the bandwidth is 1.97 GB/s, which should be 
> sufficient to saturate about a dozen HDD's.
> 
> 
> The Amazon page for the IO CREST provides a part number:
> 
>      SI-PEX40169
> 
> 
> STFW for the part number leads to a Syba HBA:
> 
>      
> https://www.sybausa.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1095
> 
>      Uses 5 JMB575 ( 8 SATA Ports Per Slim SAS) connected to a JMB582 via
>      Port Multiplier Mode
> 
> 
> STFW for the chips:
> 
> * JMB582
> 
>      https://www.jmicron.com/products/list/15
> 
>      PCIe Gen3 x1 to Dual SATA 6Gb/s
> 
> * JMB575
> 
>      https://www.jmicron.com/products/list/16
> 
>      1 to 5 ports SATA 6Gb/s
>      Port Multiplier / Port Selector
> 
> 
> STFW it is hard to find good technical information, infer the 
> architecture, or reason about the performance of the HBA.
> 
> 
> I have some Syba PCIe 1.0 x1 to 2 @ SATA II HBA's on the shelf.  They 
> have worked with Windows, Debian, and/or FreeBSD for many years.
> 
> 
>> Thats nice but only an x4 for $117, how about an x16, which I have an 
>> empty slot for a full length X16 at $160: > 
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09K5GLJ8D
> 
> 
> The Amazon page for the BEYIMEI HBA states:
> 
>      Use chipset 6 * ASM1064 + ASM1812 * 1 main control chip
> 
> 
> STFW for those chips:
> 
> * ASM1064:
> 
>      https://www.asmedia.com.tw/product/A58yQC9Sp5qg6TrF/58dYQ8bxZ4UR9wG5
> 
>      ASM1064, a SATA host controller(AHCI) with upstream PCIe Gen3 x1 and
>      downstream four SATA Gen3 ports. It’s a low latency, low cost and
>      low power AHCI controller. With four SATA ports and cascaded port
>      multipliers, ASM1064 can enable users to build up various high speed
>      IO systems, including server, high capacity system storage or
>      surveillance platforms.
> 
> * ASM1812:
> 
>      https://www.asmedia.com.tw/product/1e2yQ48sx5HT2pUF/b7FyQBCxz2URbzg0
> 
>      ASMedia PCIe product ASM1812, a low latency, low cost and low power
>      12 lane , maximum 6 downstream ports packet switch. With upstream
>      PCIe Gen2x4 bandwidth, ASM1812 can enable users to build up various
>      high speed IO systems, including server, system storage or
>      communication platforms.
> 
> 
> Again, it is hard to find technical information, infer the architecture, 
> or reason about performance of the HBA.
> 
> 
>> Or is the jmicron x4 better supported?
> 
> 
> I do not know.  One option is to STFW for release notes, bug reports, 
> reviews, etc..  After that, I expect it boils down to "buy it, try it; 
> return if not satisfied".
> 
> 
>>> Regardless of what you do with HBA's, I would connect the six SSD's 
>>> to the six motherboard SATA III ports.
>>
>> Which would tie them up. Is that the faster solution, moving the 
>> opticals to a different card? 
> 
> 
> My optical drives are SATA I (1.5 Gbps).  I connect them to the slowest 
> SATA ports in my computers.  I use the motherboard SATA III ports for my 
> fastest SATA drives under the heaviest workloads -- SSD system drives 
> and cache/ ZIL/ dedup vdev's.
> 
> 
>> The question then is can the bios see them to boot from them?
> 
> 
> That depends upon the SATA port and the drive.  If you must, you can 
> make a temporary connection while booting and running an optical disc.
> 
> 
>> I did grab what I think is a newer bios yesterday but haven't tried to 
>> install it yet.
>>   mt86plus_6.20_64.grub.iso.zip
> 
> 
> Motherboard firmware upgrades come with the risk of bricking your 
> computer.  I tend to run my motherboards with whatever firmware they 
> came with, unless I am suffering under some bug that is identified and 
> fixed by a firmware upgrade.
> 
> 
>>> A fresh install of  Debian stable or old-stable should solve the 
>>> storage I/O stuttering problems you are experiencing.  (That 
>>> motherboard has dual M.2 ports.  Installing Debian onto an M.2 PCIE 
>>> 3.0 x4 SSD would be very nice.)
>>>
>> I know zip about the new m2 stuff. Link to good info appreciated. 
> 
> 
> Wikipedia is a good start:
> 
>      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2
> 
> 
> PCIe 3.0 x4 SSD provides a noticeable performance improvement over one 
> SATA SSD -- up to ~6.5x.
> 
> 
>> Can you find a link showing where the m2 memory is plugged in?
>> My 32G is in the dimm sockets.
> 
> 
> Looking at "PRIME Z370-A II User’s Manual", English, Version E14608:
> 
> 
> https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-z370-a-ii/helpdesk_manual/?model2Name=PRIME-Z370-A-II
> 
> * See Section 1.1.2 "Motherboard Layout", page 1-2, items #18.
> 
> * See section 2.1.9 "M.2 installation", page 2-12.
> 
> * See Section 3.6.8 "Onboard Devices Configuration", page 3-19.
> 
> 
> It looks like the motherboard shares some PCIe and/or SATA lanes between 
> SATA ports and M.2 ports, so you must be careful with your choices.  I 
> suggest installing an M.2 PCIe x4 SSD into slot M.2_1 and configuring it 
> for "PCIE mode", so that it works and all 6 SATA ports work.  You will 
> want to use EUFI mode and GPT when installing Debian.
> 
> 
Based on this, and a full sized manual printout,  I've ordered a 2T WD 
Black, supposedly a 2280 device. $100.

Question, when I put this in, what happens to the 32GB of dimms? How 
does this fit into the architecture?  I assume this isn't volatile but 
is quick storage.

I propose to put this in as suggested, which should leave all 6 
sata-III's available, Install bookworm to it, w/o the current ectra 
controller get it going, then put 3 of the 2T gigastones on sata1-2-3, 
use the bios to make a raid5 of them and mount it as /home, prove it 
works with some throw away stuff, then plug the existing raid10 
controller & mount it as moi, then format the raid5 again with gparted,
and turn mc loose copying /moi to /home to get my working data back. 
Then 3 more 2T gigastones on the last 3 mobo sata ports, make another 
raid5 out of those mounted as amandatapes.. Unforch, I had a wrapper 
around amanda that it took me 5 years to fine tune but I've no idea if a 
backup copy exists anyplace it this midden heap. Amanda, as it exists, 
if you start a recovery to bare metal, can only restore to yesterday, my 
wrapper was a special deal that grabbed the database fom the just 
finished backup and put that into the vtape, uncompressed which if that 
was untared to the bare metal gave anmanda the data for recovery that 
would bring the system back to this mornings state. It also cleaned out 
the database of any links that referenced vtapes that were recycled and 
re-used.

So while I'm familiar with amanda, its been sold to an outfit that 
doesn't care, so its getting long in the tooth with only user support.

Suggestions re other, more recent solutions will be accepted and 
studied.  Definitely must support backing up other machines of varying 
architectures on my local network. In addition to a 4 pack of linux 
running wintel stuff, there's the potential for 5 or so arms too. Gcodes 
for 3d printers are all unrolled loops and bulky as can be.

>> Thank you David.  Take care & stay well.
> 
> 
> Likewise.  :-)
> 
> 
> David
> 
Thank you David, take care and stay well.
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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sata driver compataility Q gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-09-15 21:30 +0200
  Re: sata driver compataility Q David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-09-15 23:40 +0200
    Re: sata driver compataility Q gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-09-16 00:10 +0200
      Re: sata driver compataility Q David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-09-16 02:20 +0200
        Re: sata driver compataility Q gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-09-16 04:40 +0200
          Re: sata driver compataility Q David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-09-17 01:50 +0200
            Re: sata driver compataility Q gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-09-17 12:30 +0200
              Re: sata driver compataility Q "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-09-17 22:10 +0200
              Re: sata driver compataility Q David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-09-18 00:00 +0200
                Re: sata driver compataility Q gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-09-18 03:20 +0200
                Re: sata driver compataility Q David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-09-18 09:40 +0200

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