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Re: Release process notes [WAS Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1)]

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On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 02:35:07PM +0100, Stella Ashburne wrote:
> Suppose linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64 is installed successfully and I reboot my device.
> 
> A few days from now, I decide to remove linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64 because it is buggy and so in a terminal, I type the commands:
> 
> sudo apt remove linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64
> 
> or
> 
> sudo apt purge linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64
> 
> sudo update-grub
> 
> sudo shutdown -r now
> 
> Based on the above commands, I have some questions for you. They are:
> 
> (1) Is it a "hard" or "soft" removal of linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64?

I don't know what you mean by "hard removal" or "soft removal".

The other day, I used the phrase "hard dependency" to describe the
relationship between linux-image-amd64 and linux-image-SOME-VERSION-amd64.
The metapackage has a "Depends: ..." line which names the other kernel
package.  You *cannot* install linux-image-amd64 without also bringing
in the versioned kernel that it depends on.

This is different from "Suggests:" or "Recommends:" which are optional
dependencies.

> (2) Is the metapackage linux-image-amd64 removed?

Yes, because linux-image-amd64 *right now* depends on
linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64.  Removing linux-image-6.1.0-15-amd64 will
therefore remove linux-image-amd64.

> (3) What do you mean by your statement "prevents you from updating to the buggy kernel but you have to do some tidying up afterwards"?

You have to go back in time, to when linux-image-amd64 depended on
the buggy linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 package.  At that time, removing
linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 would have removed linux-image-amd64 because
*back then* that's how the dependency was.

If you removed linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 and linux-image-amd64 as I'm
sure many people did, then in order to get back to normalcy, you would
have to reinstall the linux-image-amd64 metapackage.  But the question is
*when* to do this.  If you did it right away, it would just reinstall
the buggy kernel, so that's no good.  You had to wait.  But... how long?
It makes sense to wait until we have a confirmed good kernel version
available; otherwise, we just have to repeat this cycle all over again.

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Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed  problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2023-12-10 13:50 +0100
  Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed  problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-12-10 14:40 +0100
    Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed  problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2023-12-11 04:40 +0100
      Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed  problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-11 04:50 +0100
        Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed  problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2023-12-11 11:30 +0100
      Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed  problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-12-11 08:30 +0100
        Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed  problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2023-12-11 11:40 +0100
      Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed  problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d63c@ewoof.net> - 2023-12-11 09:30 +0100
  Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed  problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-12-10 14:50 +0100
    Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed  problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-10 16:10 +0100
      Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed  problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-10 19:10 +0100
        Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed  problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2023-12-11 03:30 +0100
      Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed  problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2023-12-11 03:40 +0100
        Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed  problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-11 04:30 +0100
          Re: Need clarifications about how to deal with the installed  problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 (6.1.64-1) Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2023-12-11 04:50 +0100
        Release process notes [WAS Re: Need clarifications about how to deal  with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64  (6.1.64-1)] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-12-11 08:20 +0100
          Re: Release process notes [WAS  Need clarifications about how to  deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64  (6.1.64-1)] Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2023-12-11 14:40 +0100
            Re: Release process notes [WAS  Need clarifications about how to  deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64  (6.1.64-1)] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-12-11 15:20 +0100
              Re: Release process notes [WAS  Need clarifications about how to  deal with the installed problematic kernel, linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64  (6.1.64-1)] Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2023-12-11 16:00 +0100

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