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Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)

From Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.bugs.dist, linux.debian.devel
Subject Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)
Date 2023-05-15 03:10 +0200
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I'm *trying* to assume good faith here, but I'm running out of energy
to do so.

On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 01:42:27AM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
>On Mon, 15 May 2023 at 01:14, Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> wrote:
>
>> Incidentally, that remains true even if we only do that in distribution
>> packages.  I certainly have copied binaries from a Debian package to other
>> Linux systems before for various reasons and expected them to run.  Sure,
>> this might not work for other reasons outside of our control, but that's
>> no reason to be gratuitously incompatible by breaking the ABI,
>> particularly for what seem to be annoyances of our own creation with known
>> workarounds.
>
>Thanks, that's the first actual real example mentioned so far. And
>it's an interesting one: taking a $random Debian package and using it
>on a completely different, non-Debian system. Is that a supported use
>case? If so, does that mean that I can go ahead and raise a Severity:
>serious bug on any package that doesn't work in such a way?

Russ has described copying *binaries* out of packages and running them
elsewhere. I've done that too, from time to time. This is one of the
things made possible by the ABI contract being followed.

You are the one proposing to break that contract, thereby
*guaranteeing* this will fail on systems where otherwise it could
work. I think the onus is on *you* to justify why this is a valid and
useful thing to do. Your apparent lack of care for agreed standards
here is horrifying.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve@einval.com
"We're the technical experts.  We were hired so that management could
 ignore our recommendations and tell us how to do our jobs."  -- Mike Andrews

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Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-11 00:00 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-11 00:50 +0200
    Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-18 19:30 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu@debian.org> - 2023-05-11 12:40 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-11 14:30 +0200
    Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-11 20:00 +0200
      Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 14:30 +0200
        Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 15:10 +0200
    Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> - 2023-05-25 14:10 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-12 07:50 +0200
    Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-12 10:50 +0200
      Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 12:00 +0200
        Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-12 12:50 +0200
          Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 13:00 +0200
          Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-12 13:20 +0200
            Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 14:20 +0200
              Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-12 16:40 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 17:40 +0200
              Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 01:30 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Peter Pentchev <roam@ringlet.net> - 2023-05-15 02:10 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 02:30 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 02:20 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 02:50 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-15 03:10 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 03:40 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 04:40 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 17:30 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-16 03:50 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-15 03:00 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues <josch@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 07:00 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Bdale Garbee <bdale@gag.com> - 2023-05-15 15:00 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 15:20 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Bdale Garbee <bdale@gag.com> - 2023-05-15 18:00 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 18:20 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Bdale Garbee <bdale@gag.com> - 2023-05-15 18:30 +0200
                Bug#1035904: What does merged /usr bring us Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 20:40 +0200
                Bug#1035904: What does merged /usr bring us Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 20:40 +0200
                Bug#1035904: What does merged /usr bring us Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 20:50 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 19:00 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-15 15:40 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 16:50 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 20:40 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 20:00 +0200
    Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-16 04:00 +0200
      Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2023-05-16 10:30 +0200
        Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-17 01:50 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Roger Lynn <usenet@rilynn.me.uk> - 2023-05-17 22:50 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-18 20:00 +0200
    Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2023-05-18 20:20 +0200
      Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-18 20:30 +0200
        Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-18 20:40 +0200
          Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Matthias Klumpp <matthias@tenstral.net> - 2023-05-18 21:20 +0200
          Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Arnaud Rebillout <arnaudr@debian.org> - 2023-05-19 05:20 +0200
      Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-05-18 21:10 +0200
        Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2023-05-18 21:30 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-19 16:40 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-21 16:30 +0200
    Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-21 17:00 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-21 17:00 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-06-07 06:40 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-06-13 21:20 +0200
    Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org> - 2023-06-13 22:10 +0200
      Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-06-13 22:30 +0200

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