Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)

From	Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.devel
Subject	Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)
Date	2023-05-16 05:30 +0200
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I'm dropping the TC bug from this thread, since I don't think it has
anything to do with that discussion at this point.  I probably should also
change the Subject line, but I'm keeping it to make it easier for the
people who want to tune out this thread, since I very much doubt they want
to tune back in at this point.

Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> writes:
> On Mon, 15 May 2023 at 16:18, Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> wrote:

>> Note that we're not talking about complicated packages with lots of
>> runtime like, say, Emacs.  As I understand it your proposal wouldn't
>> change PT_INTERP for that binary anyway.  We're presumably talking
>> about the kind of binaries that you need to bootstrap a minimal system,
>> so packages like coreutils or bash.  And I would indeed expect those
>> binaries to be generally portable, as long as the same critical shared
>> libraries are available on other systems (in this case, PCRE2 and
>> ncurses).

> Is that really the case? Let's test that hypothesis:

I think you may have not read my whole message before replying, and also
please assume that I know really basic facts about glibc compatibility and
am not referring to that.

I said "of a similar vintage" (farther down in my message) because of
course we all know that binaries built against newer versions of glibc
don't run on systems with older versions of glibc (and likewise for shared
libraries in general and thus libselinux), and you tested a Debian
unstable package on an Ubuntu system from 2020.  This says nothing
interesting and has nothing to do with my point.

> Whoops. Does this make coreutils rc-buggy now? ;-)

You are the only person who is talking about RC bugs.  The bar here is not
"prove to me that this is RC buggy," the bar is "you have to prove to a
bunch of Debian core maintainers that they should break the ABI in their
packages" (not to mention the additional small but permanent build
complexity).  Demanding they prove to you that it's a bad idea is not how
this works.

The point of standards like an ABI is that a bunch of entirely unrelated
people who never talk to each other and never look at each other's
software are allowed to rely on them and assume no one else will break
them.  This is how free software scales; without invariants that everyone
can rely on without having to explain how they're relying on them, it is
much more difficult to get an ecosystem to work together.  We don't just
break things because they don't seem important; the space of people who
may be relying on this standard is unknowable, which is the entire point.
Opening those boxes is really expensive (in time, planning, communication,
debugging, and yes, compatibility) and we should only do it when it
really, really matters.

> It did look like a veto to me. More importantly, isn't relying on
> passersby to spot alleged harmful changes dangerous, especially for
> undocumented, uncodified and untested use cases, like unspecified and
> vague cross-compatibility requirements?

I'm honestly boggled.  This is a thread on debian-devel, which is
literally how we do architecture vetting in this project.

I absolutely do not think that we can write down everything of importance
in designing a distribution so that we don't have to have conversations
with other people in the project who have deep expertise when considering
a significant architectural change like changing the PT_INTERP path of
core binaries.

>> I mostly jumped in because it felt like you and Steve were just yelling
>> at each other and I thought I might be able to explain some of where he
>> was coming from in a way that may make more sense.

> I don't believe I've done any yelling here.

I'm using yelling pretty broadly and probably rather inaccurately here.
Maybe a better way of putting it is that Steve was yelling and you didn't
appear to be listening or understanding why he was yelling and were
responding in ways that were guaranteed to make him yell more.

You *are* coming across as kind of contemptuous of other people's
arguments, but then it's entirely possible that I am as well, so I'm
trying to ignore it.

> What if "setting the parking brake" is not enough, as the wheels are
> already off and rolling downhill, as shown above, because while
> everybody was looking at the parking brakes lever somebody ran off with
> the bolts that kept the wheels attached? Why is it worth worrying about
> compatibility with something that is already not compatible, and it's
> not expected to be compatible for almost all other aspects?

You can certainly decide to try to make the argument that ABI
compatibility between Linux distributions is a lost cause and we should
give up and not care about it any more.  That is a valid architectural
argument.  (To be clear, I don't think this is the argument you've been
making up to this point, which is about a very limited ABI break in
specific packages to achieve a specific purpose.)  I don't agree with that
argument, which doubtless doesn't come as a surprise, and your
justifications for why you don't think it's important are not persuasive
to me.

Obviously my arguments are also not persuasive to you, and that's fine,
but hopefully you at least understand *what* the arguments are.  I realize
that you really want to have an argument about specific known and
enumerable problems, and part of what I'm trying to get across is that you
are not going to get that.  I am, in fact, actively opposed to making that
the only criteria for decision-making in Debian.  Things like standards
compatibility, complexity hiding, long-term sustainability, long-term
maintenance complexity, anticipated edge cases, previous invariants, and
subjective risk are, to me, vitally important to a good architectural
process, often *more* important than specific enumerated flaws.

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org)              <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

Thread

DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-03 14:10 +0200
  Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2023-04-21 14:20 +0200
    Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <luca.boccassi@gmail.com> - 2023-04-21 16:50 +0200
      Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2023-04-22 12:50 +0200
        Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <luca.boccassi@gmail.com> - 2023-04-22 14:30 +0200
        Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-04-26 15:20 +0200
          Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-27 00:50 +0200
        Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-27 15:40 +0200
          Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg James Addison <jay@jp-hosting.net> - 2023-04-28 16:00 +0200
            Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Jochen Sprickerhof <jspricke@debian.org> - 2023-04-28 19:00 +0200
              Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg James Addison <jay@jp-hosting.net> - 2023-04-28 19:20 +0200
      Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-22 13:00 +0200
        Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <luca.boccassi@gmail.com> - 2023-04-22 14:30 +0200
          Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-25 21:10 +0200
            Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-04-25 22:40 +0200
              Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2023-04-26 15:20 +0200
            Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-04-26 11:20 +0200
              Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-04-26 11:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> - 2023-04-26 18:30 +0200
              Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2023-05-02 12:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-02 15:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2023-05-03 10:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-03 12:30 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-03 20:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-04 19:20 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Timo Röhling <roehling@debian.org> - 2023-05-05 11:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-05 14:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Andreas Metzler <ametzler@bebt.de> - 2023-05-05 18:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-06 00:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-06 07:30 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-06 14:30 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-06 17:20 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-06 18:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-06 21:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-06 21:50 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2023-05-06 12:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-06 14:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-06 21:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-06 23:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2023-05-07 01:50 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-07 13:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2023-05-08 20:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-09 03:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-09 06:20 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-09 13:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-07 08:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-07 09:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-07 11:20 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-07 13:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-08 05:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-08 14:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-08 14:20 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2023-05-10 17:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-10 21:30 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-10 23:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-10 23:20 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-10 23:40 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-11 00:00 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-12 07:50 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-12 10:50 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 12:00 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-12 12:50 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 13:00 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-12 13:20 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 14:20 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-12 16:40 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2023-05-12 16:40 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 17:40 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 01:30 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Peter Pentchev <roam@ringlet.net> - 2023-05-15 02:10 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 02:30 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 02:20 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 02:50 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-15 03:10 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-05-16 08:50 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 03:40 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 04:40 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 17:30 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-16 03:50 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-16 05:30 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) James Addison <jay@jp-hosting.net> - 2023-05-16 09:10 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-16 17:10 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-16 20:10 +0200
                  Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> - 2023-05-16 20:10 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-17 01:30 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-17 02:10 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Andrea Pappacoda <andrea@pappacoda.it> - 2023-05-17 12:50 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> - 2023-05-17 14:20 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-17 17:00 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-18 00:50 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-18 01:40 +0200
                Standards compliance (Was: Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)) Jeroen Dekkers <jeroen@dekkers.ch> - 2023-05-16 00:50 +0200
                What *is* the amd64 ABI Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-05-16 05:40 +0200
                Re: What *is* the amd64 ABI Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-16 05:50 +0200
                Re: What *is* the amd64 ABI Michael Hudson-Doyle <michael.hudson@canonical.com> - 2023-05-16 06:50 +0200
                Re: What *is* the amd64 ABI Bastien Roucariès <bastien.roucaries@cyu.fr> - 2023-05-20 15:40 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-15 03:00 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues <josch@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 07:00 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-15 15:40 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 16:50 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Tzafrir Cohen <tzafrir@cohens.org.il> - 2023-05-16 06:00 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 20:40 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Andreas Metzler <ametzler@bebt.de> - 2023-05-12 18:40 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 20:00 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-16 04:00 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2023-05-16 10:30 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-17 01:50 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Roger Lynn <Roger@rilynn.me.uk> - 2023-05-18 00:30 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-26 08:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> - 2023-05-26 09:50 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-26 10:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-26 10:50 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> - 2023-05-26 11:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-07 14:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-07 16:50 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-07 23:20 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-08 03:30 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-08 11:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-08 23:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-09 03:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-05-08 21:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-08 22:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-09 03:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2023-05-10 17:50 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg RL <richard.lewis.debian@googlemail.com> - 2023-05-13 16:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-13 16:20 +0200
                booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support  for directory aliasing in dpkg) Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-17 11:40 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> - 2023-05-17 11:50 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> - 2023-05-17 12:20 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-17 12:30 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-05-17 19:20 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-18 08:40 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-18 11:30 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-19 02:40 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-19 13:10 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-05-17 19:30 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2023-06-08 10:50 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-06-08 12:10 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> - 2023-06-09 09:50 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2023-06-09 12:00 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-06-09 12:40 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2023-06-09 13:10 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> - 2023-06-09 13:40 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues <josch@debian.org> - 2023-06-09 17:40 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-06-09 15:30 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues <josch@debian.org> - 2023-06-09 17:50 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-06-09 18:30 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Richard Laager <rlaager@debian.org> - 2023-06-09 20:10 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-06-09 20:50 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-06-09 22:20 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Jeroen Dekkers <jeroen@dekkers.ch> - 2023-06-11 15:40 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-06-11 19:10 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-06-11 19:10 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-06-11 19:30 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-06-11 20:10 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-06-11 20:50 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) HW42 <hw42@ipsumj.de> - 2023-06-09 22:30 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-06-10 07:40 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> - 2023-06-10 08:40 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> - 2023-06-10 09:00 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-06-10 10:50 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> - 2023-06-10 19:30 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-06-10 21:00 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Timo Röhling <roehling@debian.org> - 2023-06-11 23:20 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-06-27 21:50 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-06-09 17:50 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2023-06-09 20:00 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-06-10 04:30 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg David Kalnischkies <david@kalnischkies.de> - 2023-05-03 15:10 +0200
            Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Bastien ROUCARIES <roucaries.bastien@gmail.com> - 2023-04-26 16:50 +0200
            Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-27 00:50 +0200
              Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-04-27 08:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2023-04-27 11:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-27 13:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> - 2023-04-27 15:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2023-04-27 18:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-04-28 21:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2023-04-27 14:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-04-27 17:00 +0200
              Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-28 10:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-04-28 11:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Timo Röhling <roehling@debian.org> - 2023-04-28 12:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-04-29 02:50 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-05-02 17:40 +0200
              Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-04-28 14:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-28 15:50 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Marvin Renich <mrvn@renich.org> - 2023-04-29 20:20 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-29 22:20 +0200
              Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-28 22:20 +0200
      Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-02 15:00 +0200
        Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-02 15:10 +0200
        Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-02 16:00 +0200
    Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-22 13:00 +0200
  Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2023-04-21 15:10 +0200
    Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-04-21 19:30 +0200
    Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-22 13:00 +0200
      Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2023-04-22 15:50 +0200
      Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2023-04-24 11:40 +0200

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