Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.

From	gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
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Subject	Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.
Date	2023-05-09 00:10 +0200
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On 5/8/23 16:57, gene heskett wrote:
> On 5/8/23 07:49, Brian wrote:
>> On Mon 08 May 2023 at 00:23:43 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/7/23 12:48, Brian wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> Please give 'lpstat -t' for bpi51 (bullseye) and a buster machine.
>>> gene@bpi51:~$ lpstat -t
>>> scheduler is running
>>> system default destination: PDF
>>> device for HLL2320D-RAW: ipp://192.168.71.3:631/printers/HLL2320D
>>> device for PDF: cups-pdf:/
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> 'lpstat -t' only ever shows *local* printers. That is, printers that have
>> been set up (manually in this case) on the local machine. It will never
>> discover and  show printers on the network. This was mentioned earlier in
>> this thread, but you do not appear to appreciate its significance.
>>
>> To be clear: HLL2320D-RAW and PDF are local printers. We set up 
>> HLL2320D-RAW
>> (which is a working printer) togetger. Should you wish to see *all* 
>> devices
>> (local and on the network) us
>>
>>    lpstat -e
>>    lpstat -l -e
>>
> Aha! now the two bpi's see all shares, + add the pdf generator if its 
> installed. The HLL2320D as seen by -t, is the result of our earlier 
> test, it actually added the printer to the local lp world. But not to cups.
> 
> I'll update bpi51 when the current part is finished, probably about an 
> hour yet.
> 
And that updated 77 pkgs, but did not require a reboot.  And no pkg 
changed anything about the cups blank printers discovered screen at 
localhost:631.

And its back to making another part. Busy till around 2am local

Thanks Brian.
> 
>> The second command was explained earlier in the thread.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> gene@bpi54:~$ lpstat -t
>>> scheduler is running
>>> no system default destination
>>> device for Brother_HL-L2320D_series:
>>> usb://Brother/HL-L2320D%20series?serial=U63877H0N346913
>>> device for Brother_MFC-J6920DW_photo:
>>> usb://Brother/MFC-J6920DW?serial=BROG5F229909
>>> device for HLL2320D: 
>>> usb://Brother/HL-L2320D%20series?serial=U63877H0N346913
>>> device for MFCJ6920DW: usb://Brother/MFC-J6920DW?serial=BROG5F229909
>>
>> These are the local printers on bpi54. All connected by USB. All set 
>> up by
>> you and all working
>>
>> Summary: Everything is as it should be.
>>
>> Your first mail has:
>>
>>    > All of my bullseye machines are locked out, printer screen at
>>    > localhost:631 is empty, and no printers can be found and added.

You are missing the point, lpstat is seeing them, but cups is not.
That it seems to me, s/b where we should be concentrating our discovery 
efforts. FWIW reinstalling cups and cups-browsed has been done, made no 
difference that I could detect. Is there something I could put at the 
top of /etc/cups/cupsd.conf to make any failures or rejects generate 
meaningful msgs in /var/log/cups/error_log?



>>    > But open a shell, and type "lpstat -t" and it gets the full list of
>>    > available printers on that same bullseye machine whose cups 
>> output is
>>    > empty.
>>
>> The facts as expressed are OK. Your interpretation of them is 
>> sub-optimal.
>> A lack of understanding about what localhost:631 and 'lpstat -t' show is
>> the root of problem and colours everything you have written here..
>>
>> [...]
>>>> Apple ceased any involvement with CUPS development and parted 
>>>> company with
>>>> its Chief Printing Engineer a number of years ago. Debian CUPS is 
>>>> produced
>>>> by a team led by the creator of CUPS. Your requested fix is in place 
>>>> :).
>>>
>>> If so, (this is the first I've heard of it, and I've only known Michael
>>> since the late 1980's when we were both heavily involved in the os9
>>> development, a mini unix that ran of the trs-80 color computers) 
>>> where do I
>>> email now to be assured Michael will see it? Is there a new cups mailing
>>> list?
>>
>> Please see our wiki.
>>
>>> Do you have any idea if that fix will be released for arm64 bullseye? 
>>> I just
>>> checked bpi54, no updates available since the Friday update. Ditto 
>>> for the
>>> intel busters here, but they're busters, so don't need the fix, they 
>>> Just
>>> Work.
>>
>> I haven't a clue about arm64. I am not even sure that CUPS is the 
>> issue. You
>> have a classical local printer set up. It works. There are three other 
>> printers
>> that could be set up with the same technique. Remenber - you are the 
>> one who
>> does not want a New Architecture setup.
> 
> The big inkjet is well over 5 years old, and among other things the New 
> Architecture does not recognize is it has two trays for paper source, 
> always using the $0.12 a sheet glossy photo from the top tray.
> 
> Imagine what it would cost me to print all 1330 some pages of the 
> current linuxcnc user docs. Not to mention I'd have to reload that 
> smaller tray about 14 times. Tain't gonna happen.
> 
> And my ISP is having email probs its Monday.

Took them till close to noon to find it.

Thanks Brian.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered several times. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 01:10 +0200
  Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered several times. Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2023-05-01 02:20 +0200
    Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered several  times. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 09:40 +0200
      Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered several  times. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 15:00 +0200
        Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered  severaltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 15:50 +0200
          Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered  severaltimes. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 16:10 +0200
            Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered  severaltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 16:40 +0200
            Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 17:00 +0200
              Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 17:40 +0200
          Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered  severaltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 16:20 +0200
            Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 17:10 +0200
              Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 17:20 +0200
              Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 17:30 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 17:50 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 18:40 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 19:10 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 19:40 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-02 00:00 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-02 01:10 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 19:30 +0200
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                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone  unansweredseveraltimes. debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2023-05-01 22:10 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 23:30 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-02 01:00 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has goneunansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-02 00:30 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has goneunansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-02 01:00 +0200
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        Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered  severaltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-01 17:00 +0200
  Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered several  times. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 06:30 +0200
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      Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered several  times. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-01 15:00 +0200
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          Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered  severaltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-04 22:00 +0200
            Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unanswered  severaltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-05 16:10 +0200
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                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-05 19:50 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-05 22:40 +0200
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                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-07 17:30 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-07 18:50 +0200
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                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-08 13:50 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-08 19:10 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-09 00:10 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-09 10:10 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-05-09 13:20 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-09 22:50 +0200
                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-10 14:20 +0200
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                Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes. gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-05-11 18:30 +0200
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