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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? |
| Date | 2023-04-08 16:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <GihJL-E5S-3@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
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On Saturday, April 08, 2023 09:55:14 AM Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Okay, can you boil it down to some one, two, maybe three main
> things that can answer the question why these languages have
> taken the different directions they have taken?
I think that in some | many cases, especially in the early days of
programming, languages were written based on what the language designer was
familiar with (and what he did or didn't like) about those languages.
Without having much familiarity with Perl, I might guess that Larry Wall was
familiar with things like awk, sed, bash and such, and wrote Perl to a certain
extent to combine what he considered the good features of those and fix what he
considered the bad features of those. In addition, I guess his general goal
was text processing.
My first language was Algol, a language that wrote out keywords and such so
that it was easier to understand (for me) what a given program was doing. It
was also structured (if that is the right word), having things like groups of
statements (within, iirc, begin / end statements) (something that, at the
time, iirc, Fortran (II) didn't have.
(Aside: pretty printing of code like that (if pretty printing was a thing at
that time, it is aggravating not remembering so many details) was (or could
be) accomplished partly by indenting blocks of code, hence I am rather
comfortable (or more than just comfortable) with Python's enforced
indentation).
Algol (and then Pascal and Python) were more general purpose languages,
capable of doing text processing, but maybe more then intent was (in my words)
numeric processing for scientific and mathmatical purposes.
Lisp: I guess I won't comment at this point in time -- when I was trying to
learn (people were trying to teach me) Lisp, it seemed the big emphasis was on
learning how to use , was it "cons" and something else to get the beginning or
remainder of a list -- it never (in the course I took) seemed to progress into
something that could really do what seemed to me at the time, useful things.
So, to repeat, probably without proving my point, I think many early languages
were designed based on what the designer new about other languages and what he
thought were good or bad features of those other languages.
There were (and are) maybe more speicalized languages, designed to be good for
a particular field of endeavor, and languages that incorporate new programming
features / paradigms that didn't exist when some languages were designed
(e.g., object oriented and functional programming (well, unless maybe Lisp is
considered and early example of functional programming).
For kicks, I will mention that I am experimenting with writing a program (a
lexer for Scintilla for a markup language that I use, partly of my own design)
using ChatGPT, and I'm impressed with the results. (I haven't yet compiled
any of the code to test it, but I hope to get there maybe sometime in June as
I expect to have more free time after April 18 (but probably won't have that
free time :-(
--
rhk
(sig revised 20230312 -- modified first paragraph, some other irrelevant
wordsmithing)
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