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Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same?

Subject Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same?
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics
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From Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com>
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Date 2018-03-14 14:57 +0000

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On 14/03/2018 03:44, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 3/11/18 8:11 PM, Keith Stein wrote:
>> On 11/03/2018 23:54, Tom Roberts wrote:
>>> On 3/11/18 4:42 PM, Keith Stein wrote:
>>>> So how is it that when light slows down traveling across 
>>>> intergalactic space,the the WAVELENGTH INCREASES ?
>>>
>>> Light most definitely does NOT slow down as it propagates from 
>>> distant objects to earth, because the aberration angle is the same 
>>> for nearby stars and distant objects. This also disproves any notion 
>>> that light emitted long ago travels with some speed other than c.
>>
>> [...]
>> Therefore    Angle of Aberration = Tan^-1 ( v / c(air) )
> 
> You must be more careful about what happens when the light enters the 
> air from the vacuum, remembering that the air is moving with the earth. 
> Do that, and use the Lorentz transform, and you'll find a much more 
> complicated formula (Google is your friend).
> 
> And, of course, for Hubble the air is irrelevant, yet it sees the SAME 
> angle of aberration as do telescopes on earth (after correcting for its 
> orbital velocity).

i was indeed a little sloppy with my derivation of the Angle of 
Aberration.  Strictly i should of used c(medium) rather than c(air),
because as you correctly point out Mr.Roberts one will still have 
aberration even in situations where there is no air.

However THERE IS ALWAYS A MEDIUM, and the angle of aberration is 
determined by the local c(medium). The velocity of the light when it 
left the distant galaxy will in no way affect the angle of aberration.


>      You'll look in vain for signs of this in astronomical
>      catalogs and papers, because it is ALWAYS corrected for
>      before publishing. Ditto for the annual Doppler effect.
>      These effects are solidly established, universal for
>      observations from earth, and therefore uninteresting.
> 
> Tom Roberts

Your implication that the consistency of aberration rules out a variable 
light speed is simply wrong, Mr. Roberts.

keith stein

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