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| Subject | Re: Words have power |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity, sci.math |
| Date | 2026-10-20 11:48 +0000 |
| Organization | Nemoweb |
| From | Python <python@cccp.invalid> |
Cross-posted to 2 groups.
Maciej,
> That's a fact.
Excellent. You have now explicitly admitted that, in YOUR terminology,
the very same physical rate difference changes nature according to what
engineers decide to do with it.
And then this masterpiece:
> Go convince them [...] they have to stop compensating
Why would I?
Relativity predicts the effect.
Engineering compensates the effect.
GPS works.
There is no conflict whatsoever.
The conflict exists entirely in your head because you invented the rule:
real physical effect + compensation = clock error
real physical effect + no compensation = time dilation
Physics doesn't work that way.
If engineers compensate thermal expansion in a bridge, thermal
expansion doesn't cease to be physics.
The funniest part is that your proposed test for whether relativity
"rules GPS" is now whether engineers REFUSE to use relativity to make
GPS work properly.
That's quite possibly the most backwards argument you've produced yet.
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