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Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version"

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On 07/06/22 at 07:43 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote:
> Hallo,
> 
> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 05:29:57PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
> > DRAFT
> > 
> > Using its powers under constitution 6.1.5, the Technical Committee
> > issues the following advice:
> 
> I've given this some thought and feel uneasy about one item.
> 
> >   4. We believe that there are indeed circumstances in which
> >      1.0-with-diff is the best choice for a particular source package,
> >      including, but not limited to, git-first packaging workflows.
> 
> While I can agree with this item on a technical level, I think there is
> more to it than that and I am wondering whether it sends the "right"
> message.
> 
> Sometimes, things we do are technically possible and fill a niche well.
> Yet, we decide that it is no longer reasonable to continue supporting
> them and remove their support despite the feature being useful to some.
> Quite clearly, there is a trade-off involved here. Continuing to support
> 1.0-with-diff comes with a cost that reduces uniformity inside the
> archive. Evidently, this is what motivated Lucas to file the MBF
> initially. My experience is that lack of uniformity is a significant
> barrier to prospective contributors to Debian.
> 
> Exploring different technical approaches does have value as well, but I
> think we've had sufficient time to consider the various advantages and
> disadvantages of various source packages formats. On a whole, it seems
> to me that that the number of packages benefiting from 1.0-with-diff is
> relatively small.
> 
> What would you think about adding an alternative option 4?
> 
> 4b. We believe that there are indeed circumstances in which
>     1.0-with-diff is the best choice for a particular source package.
>     Given that the number of packages for which this is relevant is
>     fairly small, we recommend discontinuing use of 1.0-with-diff to
>     gain more uniformity.

Hi,

A middle ground between (4) and (4b) could be to discourage the use of
1.0-with-diff in circumstances where it is not justified. Something
like:

4c. We believe that there are indeed circumstances in which
    1.0-with-diff is the best choice for a particular source package,
    including, but not limited to, git-first packaging workflows.
    However, we recommend discontinuing use of 1.0-with-diff in other
    circumstances to gain more uniformity.

That opens the path to an archive where the only remaining 1.0 packages
are the ones where there's a reason to use 1.0. (as opposed to
currently, where we have a mix of packages using 1.0 for a good reason,
and packages using 1.0 because nobody cared to update them to modern
practices).

Lucas

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Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version" Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2022-05-11 02:40 +0200
  Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version" Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2022-05-11 11:30 +0200
    Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version" Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2022-05-11 13:50 +0200
      Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version" Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2022-05-11 14:10 +0200
        Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version" Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2022-05-11 18:40 +0200
          Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version" Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2022-05-11 21:00 +0200
            Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version" Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2022-05-11 21:10 +0200
  Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version" Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2022-06-07 07:50 +0200
    Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version" Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2022-06-07 08:20 +0200
      Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version" Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> - 2022-06-07 12:50 +0200
      Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version" Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2022-06-07 23:00 +0200
        Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version" Julian Andres Klode <jak@debian.org> - 2022-06-08 12:10 +0200
        Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version" Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2022-06-08 21:10 +0200
          Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version" Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2022-06-08 22:40 +0200
          Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version" Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2022-06-08 22:40 +0200
    Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version" Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2022-06-07 09:40 +0200
      Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version" Christoph Berg <myon@debian.org> - 2022-06-07 09:50 +0200
        Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version" Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2022-06-07 13:50 +0200
    Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version" Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2022-06-07 12:40 +0200
  Bug#1007717: Updated draft resolution Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2022-06-08 07:40 +0200
    Bug#1007717: Updated draft resolution Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2022-06-15 07:40 +0200
      Bug#1007717: Updated draft resolution Christoph Berg <myon@debian.org> - 2022-06-15 10:40 +0200
      Bug#1007717: Updated draft resolution Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2022-06-15 12:20 +0200
        Bug#1007717: Updated draft resolution gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2022-06-17 01:10 +0200
          Bug#1007717: Updated draft resolution gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2022-06-17 02:50 +0200
      Bug#1007717: Updated draft resolution Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2022-06-15 16:10 +0200
        Bug#1007717: Updated draft resolution Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2022-06-16 09:00 +0200
          Bug#1007717: Updated draft resolution Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2022-06-17 18:50 +0200
    Bug#1007717: Ballot and call for votes Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2022-06-21 02:40 +0200
      Bug#1007717: Ballot and call for votes Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2022-06-21 02:40 +0200
      Bug#1007717: Ballot and call for votes Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> - 2022-06-21 09:30 +0200
      Bug#1007717: Ballot and call for votes Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2022-06-22 18:20 +0200
      Bug#1007717: Ballot and call for votes Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2022-06-22 20:50 +0200
      Bug#1007717: Ballot and call for votes Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2022-06-23 17:10 +0200
      Bug#1007717: Ballot and call for votes Niko Tyni <ntyni@debian.org> - 2022-06-26 23:30 +0200
      Bug#1007717: Ballot and call for votes Elana Hashman <ehashman@debian.org> - 2022-06-27 01:30 +0200
      Bug#1007717: Ballot and call for votes Christoph Berg <myon@debian.org> - 2022-06-27 15:30 +0200
      Bug#737634: Bug#1007717: Native source package format with non-native version Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2022-06-27 18:30 +0200

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