Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email

From	David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email
Date	2022-05-16 05:40 +0200
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On Sat 14 May 2022 at 14:02:36 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> On Sat 14 May 2022 at 12:02:49 -0000, Curt wrote:
> > On 2022-05-14, <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
> > > On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 08:58:37AM -0000, Curt wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > >> What about data breaches, and sites keeping your password
> > >> in plain text (though it seems access to the cryptographically hashed
> > >> passcodes is already a pretty good leg up)? What good is our entropy then?
> > >
> > > As stated elsewhere: unique passwords. Don't use a password you're using
> > > elsewhere. Much less so with a site you don't trust.
> > 
> > As always, I'm very uncertain where your goal posts are placed or what
> > tacit agenda you're following. No one has advocated the use of unique
> > passwords. 
> > 
> > In my plausible scenario, you're password entropy counts for nothing.
> > Your password, unique or otherwise, has been compromised. 2FA would
> > prevent illegal entry to your account in this case. The subject we're
> > addressing here is your assertion that 2FA adds no extra security. I
> > have demonstrated that it does.
> 
> Preventing data breaches are outside the scope of the user, providing
> a high entropy password is not. If accessing a  site is of importance
> to him, then, in your plausible scenario, an eight character password
> effectively gives little security.
> 
> That is not an argument for 2FA but for a user having a responsible
> password policy to guard agains such breaches.

Preventing data breaches might be outside my control, but mitigating
their effect might not be. So I like to have 2FA set up as entering
a code in response to a phone call. There's some peace of mind in my
/not/ receiving any of those calls unless /I/ try to login.

Were it to ring unexpectedly and I heard a woman with a crisp British
accent announce "Hello [pause] You have requested a code for logging
in to your account; the number is one three fave [sic] seven nine
nine; this code will expire in ten minutes", I would know something's
afoot, and I've got some urgent calls to make.

Cheers,
David.

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google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 15:30 +0200
  Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2022-05-11 15:40 +0200
  Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 16:40 +0200
  Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 20:00 +0200
    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 20:10 +0200
    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 20:10 +0200
      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 20:20 +0200
        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 20:50 +0200
      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Virgo Pärna <virgo.parna@mail.ee> - 2022-05-12 12:10 +0200
        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-12 15:30 +0200
        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-12 15:30 +0200
          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-05-12 15:40 +0200
          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Virgo Pärna <virgo.parna@mail.ee> - 2022-05-12 20:10 +0200
            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-12 21:00 +0200
              Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Virgo Pärna <virgo.parna@mail.ee> - 2022-05-13 08:00 +0200
          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-05-13 01:10 +0200
            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "tv.debian" <tv.debian@googlemail.com> - 2022-05-13 01:40 +0200
            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2022-05-13 02:30 +0200
              Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-13 07:20 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-13 11:40 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-13 13:40 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-13 13:50 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-13 14:10 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-05-13 17:20 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2022-05-13 14:50 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-13 19:30 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-05-14 05:10 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 07:30 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2022-05-16 15:20 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2022-05-16 15:20 +0200
              Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-05-14 04:50 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 07:30 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 13:50 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 15:30 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 18:40 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 20:50 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 21:00 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 21:30 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-15 06:40 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2022-05-15 14:00 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-15 15:50 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2022-05-14 22:20 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-14 11:00 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email tomas@tuxteam.de - 2022-05-14 11:30 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 11:30 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-14 14:10 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 15:10 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-05-16 05:40 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-16 10:10 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-16 12:00 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-16 14:40 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2022-05-16 13:10 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-16 15:40 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-05-16 18:00 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 14:10 +0200
        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-06-01 19:10 +0200
          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2022-06-01 19:50 +0200
            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-06-01 20:40 +0200
          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email nemo <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-02 17:20 +0200
            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email rhkramer@gmail.com - 2022-06-02 20:10 +0200
              Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2022-06-02 20:30 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-02 20:40 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-04 14:00 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 14:20 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 16:30 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-04 16:50 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 19:50 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-04 16:30 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-04 15:50 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 16:00 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-04 19:30 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 19:50 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-08 03:40 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-08 06:50 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email rhkramer@gmail.com - 2022-06-08 14:50 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-08 18:00 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-08 18:20 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email rhkramer@gmail.com - 2022-06-08 18:30 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-08 19:20 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-04 16:30 +0200
              Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email rhkramer@gmail.com - 2022-06-03 21:00 +0200
  Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 20:30 +0200
    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 21:00 +0200
      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Siard <shiems@mailbox.org> - 2022-05-11 22:00 +0200
        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2022-05-12 04:00 +0200
      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 22:20 +0200
        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 22:30 +0200
  Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 21:00 +0200
    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2022-06-04 21:10 +0200
    Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2022-06-04 21:10 +0200
      Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 22:10 +0200
        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2022-06-04 22:40 +0200
          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 22:50 +0200
            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Edwin Zimmerman <edwin@plainemail.net> - 2022-06-04 23:10 +0200
              Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 23:40 +0200
        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email wec <wec@upwardmail.net> - 2022-06-04 23:10 +0200
          Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 23:20 +0200
            Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2022-06-05 02:50 +0200
              Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-05 02:50 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2022-06-05 03:00 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2022-06-05 03:10 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-05 06:10 +0200
                Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-05 03:20 +0200
              Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2022-06-05 03:50 +0200
        Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Alain D D Williams <addw@phcomp.co.uk> - 2022-06-04 23:10 +0200

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