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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email |
| Date | 2022-05-14 14:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <EmYKR-fpYW-3@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
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On Sat 14 May 2022 at 08:58:37 -0000, Curt wrote: > On 2022-05-14, Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> wrote: > > On 13/05/2022 12:23, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > >> That's the value added in exchange for Ash's "massive pain in the arse". > >> Just making the 1st factor be > >> a loong password is not equivalent to 2FA in any way. Machine reaching back > >> to you is the difference. > > > > There are attacks that 2FA can defeat, especially things like password > > reset via compromised email server, but in general, two weak factors are > > not a match for a strong unique random password. In particular, it is > > not uncommon for sms/email/totp second factor to resolve to exactly the > > same device as the first factor, reducing 2FA to a single factor. > > Compromise such a user's phone and it is all over. > > What about data breaches, and sites keeping your password > in plain text (though it seems access to the cryptographically hashed > passcodes is already a pretty good leg up)? What good is our entropy then? > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_data_breaches > > https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/05/how-crackers-make-minced-meat-out-of-your-passwords/ The time to brute force a hash depends on password entropy. The second link is an interesting read, but I do not think evrything in a cracker's garden is rosy. One can only hope providers use decentt hashing techniques and keep data safe. -- Brian.
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google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 15:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2022-05-11 15:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 16:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 20:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 20:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 20:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 20:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 20:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Virgo Pärna <virgo.parna@mail.ee> - 2022-05-12 12:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-12 15:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-12 15:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-05-12 15:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Virgo Pärna <virgo.parna@mail.ee> - 2022-05-12 20:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-12 21:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Virgo Pärna <virgo.parna@mail.ee> - 2022-05-13 08:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-05-13 01:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "tv.debian" <tv.debian@googlemail.com> - 2022-05-13 01:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2022-05-13 02:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-13 07:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-13 11:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-13 13:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-13 13:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-13 14:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-05-13 17:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2022-05-13 14:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-13 19:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-05-14 05:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 07:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2022-05-16 15:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2022-05-16 15:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-05-14 04:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 07:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 13:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 15:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 18:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 20:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 21:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 21:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-15 06:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2022-05-15 14:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-15 15:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2022-05-14 22:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-14 11:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email tomas@tuxteam.de - 2022-05-14 11:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-14 11:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-14 14:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 15:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-05-16 05:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-16 10:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-16 12:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-05-16 14:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2022-05-16 13:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-16 15:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-05-16 18:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-14 14:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-06-01 19:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2022-06-01 19:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-06-01 20:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email nemo <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-02 17:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email rhkramer@gmail.com - 2022-06-02 20:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2022-06-02 20:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-02 20:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-04 14:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 14:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 16:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-04 16:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 19:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-04 16:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-04 15:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 16:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-04 19:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-04 19:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-08 03:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-08 06:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email rhkramer@gmail.com - 2022-06-08 14:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-06-08 18:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-08 18:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email rhkramer@gmail.com - 2022-06-08 18:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-08 19:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-06-04 16:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email rhkramer@gmail.com - 2022-06-03 21:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 20:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 21:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Siard <shiems@mailbox.org> - 2022-05-11 22:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2022-05-12 04:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-05-11 22:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Fero Dali <ferodali@gmail.com> - 2022-05-11 22:30 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 21:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2022-06-04 21:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2022-06-04 21:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 22:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2022-06-04 22:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 22:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Edwin Zimmerman <edwin@plainemail.net> - 2022-06-04 23:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 23:40 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email wec <wec@upwardmail.net> - 2022-06-04 23:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-04 23:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2022-06-05 02:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-05 02:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2022-06-05 03:00 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2022-06-05 03:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-05 06:10 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-06-05 03:20 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2022-06-05 03:50 +0200
Re: google account say it will no longer deliver email Alain D D Williams <addw@phcomp.co.uk> - 2022-06-04 23:10 +0200
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