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Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality

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On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 11:22:24AM -0400, micah anderson wrote:
>On 2022-04-08 20:35:27, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
>> it just occurred to me that despite the climate crisis about to
>> destroy us all we don't really have anything in place to monitor
>> and reduce our carbon emissions.
>
>Agreed.
>
>> I believe we need to commit ourselves to reducing this, but I fear
>
>Also, agreed.

+1 from me!

>I think Debian should commit to become carbon neutral, and then become
>climate positive, and make that clear to others so that it may encourage
>other projects to do the same.
>
>I think the path to doing this starts with the commitment from the
>project. If we can get that commitment, then we are a long ways towards
>making this happen.

Other early steps should include establishing a sub-project/group to
coordinate discussion and actions around the issue.

>Then it is about determining the organization's carbon footprint. There
>are organizations that can assist in determining this (eg. Offsetra).

I think this is a big part of the work required: but, the other side of
it is the software we provide that is used by others. An improvement on
that side of things would have a great deal more impact than on our own
infrastructure.

>Finally, deciding on a way to reconcile that footprint. This may be the
>contentious aspect, as not everyone will agree that the different
>mechanisms that exist are the right ways to do this, but perhaps we can
>delay this discussion until it is clear that Debian is committed to
>making this happen.

Makes sense to me.

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We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Julian Andres Klode <jak@debian.org> - 2022-04-08 20:40 +0200
  Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2022-04-08 21:00 +0200
    Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Julian Andres Klode <jak@debian.org> - 2022-04-08 21:20 +0200
  Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Davide Prina <davide.prina@gmail.com> - 2022-04-08 23:00 +0200
    Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2022-04-13 19:30 +0200
      Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2022-04-29 09:50 +0200
        Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-04-29 11:30 +0200
  Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality micah anderson <micah@riseup.net> - 2022-04-10 17:40 +0200
    Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2022-04-20 11:40 +0200
      Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2022-09-21 08:10 +0200
        Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Martin <debacle@debian.org> - 2022-09-21 09:40 +0200
        Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2022-09-21 14:30 +0200
  Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2022-04-13 11:40 +0200
    Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Steffen Möller <steffen_moeller@gmx.de> - 2022-04-13 14:40 +0200
      Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Sandro Tosi <morph@debian.org> - 2022-04-13 17:10 +0200
        Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Steffen Möller <steffen_moeller@gmx.de> - 2022-04-13 17:40 +0200
          Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Steffen Möller <steffen_moeller@gmx.de> - 2022-04-13 18:50 +0200
        Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2022-04-13 17:50 +0200
        Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2022-04-13 17:50 +0200
        Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Martin <debacle@debian.org> - 2022-04-20 21:00 +0200
          Bits&Bäume Conference about digital sustainability (Berlin, October; CfP deadline 7 June) Laura Arjona Reina <larjona@debian.org> - 2022-05-13 08:50 +0200
  Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Gard Spreemann <gspr@nonempty.org> - 2022-04-13 20:00 +0200
  Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2022-04-21 06:10 +0200
    Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2022-04-21 06:50 +0200
    Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Julian Andres Klode <jak@debian.org> - 2022-04-30 10:10 +0200
  Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2022-05-13 18:00 +0200
    Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-13 19:30 +0200
    Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> - 2022-05-15 11:00 +0200

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