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Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality

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On 4/8/22 20:35, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
> Sponsors: When receiving sponsored resources like electricity, we
> should inquire about the carbon footprint of those resources, and
> what the sponsor's approach to environmental affairs is.

Most of the time, "green energy" is just "green washing". If you buy 
"green energy" in France or Swiss (these are the only places I know for 
sure what's going on), you get a higher electricity bill, and a slot in 
the green energy consumers. But the electricity may well come from the 
nearby coal power plant, even if you bought a slot of green electricity.

IMO, you're much better off fighting this at another level: lobbying 
your government to do what you think is right.

> Budget: We need to determine our current CO2 emissions as a project,
> and then define a roadmap to carbon neutrality by an acceptable date,
> I think 2035 or 2040 are commonly referenced. This is likely to be
> exponential. We should use project funds to hire an expert consulting
> firm to do this for us.

If I had my say, I would vote against (wasting) money for such an 
expert, and wasting contributor time on this. I'm tired of reading about 
CO2 emission in the data center, when old servers are just trashed, and 
when electricity production is out of the control of the data center 
owner (see above).

I pushed my company to recycle old server and re-use them as long as 
possible, and we went from a 10 years lifetime to 15. That's IMO a much 
nicer and efficient approach for protecting the environment than just 
the green-washing CO2 propaganda.

> Monitoring: Once we have determined our CO2 emissions and defined a
> roadmap, we need to constantly monitor our CO2 emissions to make sure
> we stay on target. I propose quarterly environmental impact reports.

A quarterly environmental impact that only takes CO2 into account is 
only part of the reality. Do you have any idea about the environmental 
impact of mining these rare minerals needed to produce a server? Another 
example: producing the aluminum needed for a server chassis use a huge 
amount of electricity.

Cheers,

Thomas Goirand (zigo)

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We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Julian Andres Klode <jak@debian.org> - 2022-04-08 20:40 +0200
  Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2022-04-08 21:00 +0200
    Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Julian Andres Klode <jak@debian.org> - 2022-04-08 21:20 +0200
  Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Davide Prina <davide.prina@gmail.com> - 2022-04-08 23:00 +0200
    Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2022-04-13 19:30 +0200
      Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2022-04-29 09:50 +0200
        Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-04-29 11:30 +0200
  Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality micah anderson <micah@riseup.net> - 2022-04-10 17:40 +0200
    Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2022-04-20 11:40 +0200
      Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2022-09-21 08:10 +0200
        Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Martin <debacle@debian.org> - 2022-09-21 09:40 +0200
        Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2022-09-21 14:30 +0200
  Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2022-04-13 11:40 +0200
    Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Steffen Möller <steffen_moeller@gmx.de> - 2022-04-13 14:40 +0200
      Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Sandro Tosi <morph@debian.org> - 2022-04-13 17:10 +0200
        Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Steffen Möller <steffen_moeller@gmx.de> - 2022-04-13 17:40 +0200
          Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Steffen Möller <steffen_moeller@gmx.de> - 2022-04-13 18:50 +0200
        Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2022-04-13 17:50 +0200
        Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2022-04-13 17:50 +0200
        Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Martin <debacle@debian.org> - 2022-04-20 21:00 +0200
          Bits&Bäume Conference about digital sustainability (Berlin, October; CfP deadline 7 June) Laura Arjona Reina <larjona@debian.org> - 2022-05-13 08:50 +0200
  Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Gard Spreemann <gspr@nonempty.org> - 2022-04-13 20:00 +0200
  Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2022-04-21 06:10 +0200
    Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2022-04-21 06:50 +0200
    Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Julian Andres Klode <jak@debian.org> - 2022-04-30 10:10 +0200
  Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2022-05-13 18:00 +0200
    Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-13 19:30 +0200
    Re: We need to define a path for Debian to climate neutrality Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> - 2022-05-15 11:00 +0200

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