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Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms?

Subject Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms?
Newsgroups alt.usage.english
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Date 2026-10-05 21:32 +0100

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On 05/10/2026 03:32, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Oct 2026 15:18:58 -0400, Tony Cooper
> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I would differentiate "terms" and "idioms".  To understand a
>> description of an event in sports could rquire a knowledge of the
>> terms used, but terms aren't idioms.
> 
> When cricket commentators speak of a batsman "stepping up to the
> plate" I think that's a whole 'nother ball game.

The batsman might 'step up to the plate' during the Lunch or Tea interval.

(Why oh why do other sports fail to have meal times built into the 
schedule?)>
> Stepping up to the plate (or crease is a term; a whole 'nother ball
> game is an idiom.
> 
>> To be an idiom, it should be an expression that cannot be understood
>>from the individual meanings of its components.  
> 
> 


-- 
Sam Plusnet

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The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:41 +0800
  Chauserian Poetry (was: Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:53 +0800
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  Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-04 15:16 +1100
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  Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-10-04 09:54 +0200
    Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-04 20:56 +1100
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        Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-10-04 13:22 +0200
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        Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-05 10:17 +1100
        Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-06 12:54 +0200
      Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-04 11:22 -0700
      Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-04 19:53 +0100
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      Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-10-04 13:25 +0200
  Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-10-04 11:05 +0000
  Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> - 2026-10-04 13:29 +0000
  Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-10-04 11:23 -0400
    Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-10-04 13:46 -0400
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        Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-10-04 21:30 +0200
        Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-10-04 22:56 +0200
      Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-10-04 15:23 -0400
        Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-05 01:29 +0100
          Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-10-05 00:02 -0400
            Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-10-05 11:39 -0400
              Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-10-05 13:23 -0400
                Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-10-05 16:10 -0400
                Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-06 08:52 +1100
              Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-05 21:26 +0100
                Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-10-05 18:30 -0400
            Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-05 21:17 +0100
              Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-06 08:54 +1100
              Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-10-05 18:43 -0400
                Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-06 02:19 +0100
              Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical   dictionaries of idioms? Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-10-06 08:57 +0100
      Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-05 10:41 +1100
        Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-10-05 09:41 +0200
      Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-05 04:26 +0200
        Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-05 21:29 +0100
    Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-10-04 19:46 +0200
      Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-05 02:58 +0800
      Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-10-04 15:18 -0400
        Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-05 06:50 +0800
          Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-05 10:35 +1100
        Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-05 04:32 +0200
          Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-05 21:32 +0100
            Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-06 08:57 +1100
              Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-06 02:22 +0100
  Re: The proof is in the pudding, or where to get physical dictionaries of idioms? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-04 11:11 -0700

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