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Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

From Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?
Date 2022-03-05 00:30 +0100
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Emanuel Berg writes:

> Linux-Fan wrote:
>
> > Please keep the following points in mind when doing PSU
> > wattage sizing for modern PCs:
> >
> > - Judging a CPU by its thermal design power is no longer
> >   feasible due to some CPUs permanently overclocking while
> >   the actually available cooling power permits it. On some
> >   Intel CPUs this can mean about twice the power than you
> >   would have expected. If we were to apply this logic
> >   directly to the unspecified (?) AMD CPU from the OP's
> >   config
>
> Oh, the OP has the AMD4 x86_64 CPU that comes with/in the Asus
> ROG Strix B450-F Gaming motherboard!

By default, a motherboard is just that, a motherboard. Unless you have some  
specific "bundle" package, there is no CPU included with it. According to
https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b450-f-gaming-model/
the board has "AM4 socket: Ready for AMD Ryzen(TM) processors". And  
according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM4 this socket can  
accomodate for a wide variety of different processors.

> > - 80+ certified PSUs are rated in terms of their performance
> >   at certain load percentages. If you choose a high-power
> >   PSU (e.g. 600W) then even if it has a high efficiency
> >   according to 80+ it will not necessarily be more efficient
> >   than a less highly rated 300W model.
>
> Not following?

You've snipped the part by Andy Cater:

| A larger PSU in wattage terms may have better capacitors, more capacity to
| withstand dips and spikes in mains voltage and may have a better power factor
| so be more effective overall.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
| the cost differential between 300 and 600W should be relatively small.
|
| Easier to overspecify: the other thing is that larger PSU wattages may have
| quieter / better quality fans. I love almost silent PCs.

I just wanted to point out that larger PSU can be more efficient, but  
smaller PSU can also be more efficient. Even when energy efficiency labels  
are compared (cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus), a better rating  
(e.g. gold over silver or such) may not always indicate better efficiency.

Say, for example, you have two PSUs under consideration:

(a) PSU with 450W and 80+ silver rating
(b) PSU with 600W and 80+ gold rating.

Then at 20% load, 80+ specifies (a) to have efficiency 87% and (b) to have  
efficiency 90%. In absolute numbers:

(a) PSU with 450W will have specified 87% at 90W i.e. draw 90W/0.87 = 103W
(b) PSU with 600W will have specified 90% at 120W i.e. draw 120W/0.9 = 133W

As 20% is the lowest load specified for the rating (silver, gold etc.) we  
cannot tell how the respective PSUs operate if less than 20% load is  
requested. From the rating we only know that (a) will take at most 103W in  
idle loads and (b) at most 133W, hence the power consumption of (b) could  
potentially be higher in very-low-load idle scenarios which are not uncommon  
to be the dominating factor for typical PC worksloads.

HTH
Linux-Fan

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how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-04 16:30 +0100
  Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-04 16:40 +0100
  Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2022-03-04 16:40 +0100
    Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-04 17:00 +0100
      Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-03-04 18:00 +0100
        Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-04 19:10 +0100
          Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2022-03-04 20:20 +0100
            Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-04 23:10 +0100
          Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2022-03-04 22:20 +0100
            Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-05 01:40 +0100
              Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-03-05 02:10 +0100
                Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-05 02:30 +0100
                Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-03-05 03:00 +0100
                Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-05 09:00 +0100
                Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2022-03-05 09:00 +0100
              Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-05 02:10 +0100
        Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-04 19:10 +0100
  Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2022-03-04 16:50 +0100
    Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-04 17:10 +0100
      Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2022-03-04 17:50 +0100
        Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-04 18:50 +0100
          Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-03-04 20:40 +0100
            Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-03-04 21:00 +0100
            Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-04 23:20 +0100
          Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-03-04 20:40 +0100
            Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-04 23:20 +0100
        Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2022-03-04 19:00 +0100
          Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-04 19:00 +0100
  Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Alexis Grigoriou <alexis@nanoid.net> - 2022-03-04 17:20 +0100
    Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-04 17:30 +0100
    Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-04 19:00 +0100
      Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-03-04 19:40 +0100
        Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2022-03-04 22:20 +0100
          Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-04 23:10 +0100
          Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2022-03-04 23:40 +0100
            Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-05 00:00 +0100
              Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2022-03-05 00:30 +0100
                Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-05 01:30 +0100
                Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2022-03-05 20:30 +0100
                Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-06 01:00 +0100
                Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-06 07:10 +0100
                Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2022-03-06 13:00 +0100
                Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2022-03-06 16:10 +0100
                Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-07 18:50 +0100
                Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2022-03-07 19:10 +0100
                Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-08 20:00 +0100
                Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2022-03-08 22:00 +0100
            Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2022-03-05 09:10 +0100
              Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2022-03-05 16:10 +0100
        Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-04 23:00 +0100
  Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-03-05 00:50 +0100
    Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2022-03-05 01:20 +0100
      Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-05 01:40 +0100
      Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-03-05 02:00 +0100
    Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-05 01:50 +0100
      Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-03-05 02:10 +0100
        Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-05 02:30 +0100
          Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian? Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-03-05 02:50 +0100

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