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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: Advantage, Linux |
| Date | 2015-11-20 10:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D274A7C5.64CA2%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink) |
| References | (9 earlier) <n2ktoa$o9r$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org> <3e67fdc1-579b-47d1-b266-07aa1906cd71@googlegroups.com> <n2mokn$ma8$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org> <7d96cfdf-0f71-420c-80b7-508175a43b1d@googlegroups.com> <n2nkrd$v2a$4@deskrabbit.motzarella.org> |
On 11/20/15, 10:24 AM, in article n2nkrd$v2a$4@deskrabbit.motzarella.org, "Desk Rabbit" <me@example.com> wrote: > On 20/11/2015 16:42, Steve Carroll wrote: >> On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 2:22:47 AM UTC-7, Desk Rabbit wrote: >>> On 19/11/2015 16:54, Steve Carroll wrote: >>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 9:37:45 AM UTC-7, Desk Rabbit wrote: >>>>> On 19/11/2015 14:19, Justin wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:34:22 +0000 >>>>>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 18/11/2015 21:07, Justin wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:06:44 +0000 >>>>>>>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 18/11/2015 13:01, Ezekiel wrote: >>>>>>>>>> "Desk Rabbit" <me@example.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:n2hs4r$36o$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org... >>>>>>>>>>> On 18/11/2015 12:32, Ezekiel wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> "Desk Rabbit" <me@example.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:n2hp6m$o25$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org... >>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/11/2015 11:09, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Run aptitude, refresh the package status, see over 1 Gb of >>>>>>>>>>>> updates (this >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> Debian unstable), start the timer.... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> .... 11 minutes later, update done. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I shudder to think how long this update would take on >>>>>>>>>>>> <laughing> Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "giggle" - What is it with weirdos like Ahlstrom that they have >>>>>>>>>>>> to <laugh> >>>>>>>>>>>> and <giggle> all the time? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I got a big laugh out of the Surface add where they boast >>>>>>>>>>>> about the USB >>>>>>>>>>>> port, showing someone carrying one with a big blue *dongle* >>>>>>>>>>>> <laughing> hanging off of it, like it was exposing itself. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There's nothing funnier that a "big blue *dongle* <laughing>" >>>>>>>>>>>> that's "exposing itself" in a television commercial for a laptop >>>>>>>>>>>> computer. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't get any weirder than this. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why does it even matter, who sits looking at their machine >>>>>>>>>>>> doing updates? >>>>>>>>>>>> I bet you love sitting and watching paint dry as well. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There's a difference in distributing an update that has to work >>>>>>>>>>>> on many 100's of millions of consumer machines and a Debian >>>>>>>>>>>> update to a small number >>>>>>>>>>>> of geeks. If one particular update causes problems/breaks >>>>>>>>>>>> something then it's easy to undo and uninstall one specific >>>>>>>>>>>> update. With aptitude, not exactly easy to do. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Works for me" doesn't cut it. What happens to work on one >>>>>>>>>>>> machine doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>> mean it'll work on many 100's of millions of machines without a >>>>>>>>>>>> need to undo >>>>>>>>>>>> an update. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The time an update takes isn't all that interesting. This >>>>>>>>>>>> multi-tasking thing actually works making it a moot point. I do >>>>>>>>>>>> think that Windows updates >>>>>>>>>>>> should be faster but it's pretty far down my wish-list. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We roll out Windows updates overnight to our customers. Even if >>>>>>>>>>> they switch off their machines our management system can send a >>>>>>>>>>> WOL, install the updates and then shut down the machine. Zero >>>>>>>>>>> disruption to the working day, maximum availability and >>>>>>>>>>> productivity. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That's a really good way of doing it. From my laptop I can >>>>>>>>>> manually send a WOL to the desktop in my office and then RDP in >>>>>>>>>> to kick-off an update. I don't think that update-time is keeping >>>>>>>>>> many IT managers up at night. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Indeed not, we all sleep well. We don't roll them out at the same >>>>>>>>> time either, clients are grouped to get updates on different days. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You also sleep alone! There's a reason for that. >>>>>>>> ha ha ha ha! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nice example of a Linux loser there. You can't offer any way that >>>>>>> Linux beats or matches Windows in this area so you just launch a >>>>>>> personal attack. Pathetic. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's why I use a Mac and you're stuck running 32 bit software on a >>>>>> fundamentally flawed OS. >>>>> >>>>> All the Office apps are available in 64bit. >>>> >>>> But the 'IT Master' just said they were only 32 bit on the Mac: >>>> >>>> "Just checked and even the NEWEST MS Word is 32-bit (on OS X). Why? So is >>>> my >>>> third party mouse driver... and some other software one would think would >>>> have been updated." - Snit >>>> >>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.os.linux.advocacy/sCNDqZwd3 >>>> x8/GqD3YMgbAQAJ >>>> >>>> Seems one of you must be "wrong". >>>> >>> >>> I was talking about Windows, >> >> You might have been 'thinking' about Windows but you certainly weren't >> 'talking' about it when you said "All the Office apps...". >> >>> Snit was talking about OS X. >> >> Yes, and it's obvious I made that clear already. >> >>> Your obsession with him is really clouding your mind buddy. >> >> Said the guy who confuses what he 'thinks' about with what he 'talks' about. >> You must be real fun at parties. >> > > Just because you are struggling to comprehend within context and follow > a plain English message, there is no need to get quite so hot under the > collar. I commented on the topic... hence he cannot help it. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-18 06:09 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-18 12:01 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-18 07:32 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-18 12:51 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-18 08:01 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-18 14:06 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 16:07 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-19 10:34 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-19 09:19 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 10:42 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 09:02 -0700
Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-19 17:08 +0100
Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 09:19 -0700
Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-19 17:55 +0100
Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-19 18:39 +0100
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 13:20 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-19 12:38 -0600
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 14:43 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 16:06 -0700
Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 00:46 +0100
Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 16:52 -0700
Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 01:01 +0100
Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 17:06 -0700
Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 01:15 +0100
Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 18:57 -0700
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 08:13 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-20 06:48 -0600
Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-20 14:05 -0600
Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 13:53 -0700
Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 17:14 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 12:04 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-19 16:37 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 08:54 -0800
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 13:18 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 12:06 -0700
Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 09:22 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 11:52 +0100
Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 08:41 -0700
Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 17:19 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 09:09 -0700
Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 17:14 +0100
Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 09:33 -0700
Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 08:46 -0800
Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 17:22 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 08:42 -0800
Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 17:24 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 10:34 -0700
Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 11:31 -0800
Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-23 09:30 +0000
My home folder is "C:\\__", but I don't let Windows know that. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-18 14:19 -0800
Re: My home folder is "C:\\__", but I don't let Windows know that. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:10 -0500
99.99% of the time, mental health can't be bought. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-22 05:46 -0800
Re: 99.99% of the time, mental health can't be bought. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:54 -0500
Some are "poor" because they do _not_ stress over money. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-22 06:38 -0800
Re: Some are "poor" because they do _not_ stress over money. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-22 10:04 -0500
I have a vasectomy, I'm stress free. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-22 07:35 -0800
Re: I have a vasectomy, I'm stress free. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-22 10:44 -0500
How many wives/kids do you have ? Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-22 15:29 -0800
Re: How many wives/kids do you have ? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 03:15 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 09:43 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 12:48 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 13:04 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 13:10 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 18:22 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 13:23 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 14:04 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-22 17:04 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 17:18 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 23:47 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 13:56 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 19:13 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 15:56 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 21:14 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 19:03 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 00:59 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-19 09:51 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 19:32 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 17:20 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 17:26 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 23:50 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-18 14:06 -0600
Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 16:04 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-18 23:02 +0100
Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-18 19:12 -0600
Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-19 09:17 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-19 15:38 +0100
Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-19 09:50 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-19 10:26 -0600
Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-19 18:10 +0100
Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-19 15:41 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-19 15:15 -0600
Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 22:54 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-18 15:51 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-18 20:52 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 09:38 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 14:44 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 09:54 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:16 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 11:23 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 13:07 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 13:22 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Marti van Lin <ml2mst@dontevenbother.invalid> - 2015-11-19 18:54 +0100
Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-19 15:47 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 18:01 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-18 15:15 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-18 16:27 +0100
Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-18 10:41 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-18 16:45 +0100
Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:51 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-18 15:48 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-18 23:01 +0100
Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 14:18 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-19 15:37 +0100
Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-11-19 08:47 -0600
Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 07:40 -0800
Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 22:59 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 00:43 +0100
Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-20 10:05 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 11:50 +0100
Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-20 13:09 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-20 09:30 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-20 13:58 -0600
Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-20 15:41 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 02:49 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-21 09:31 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-11-21 22:17 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-22 09:07 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 08:09 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-20 13:32 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-20 07:43 -0600
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 08:58 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 08:57 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-11-20 08:15 -0600
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 12:51 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-20 14:01 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 02:48 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-21 09:30 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-18 19:11 -0600
Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 14:19 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:50 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 11:25 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 08:21 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 08:18 -0500
Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:49 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-18 16:51 +0100
Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:53 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 08:19 +0000
Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 12:49 -0500
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