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Re: Advantage, Linux

From Desk Rabbit <me@example.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Advantage, Linux
Date 2015-11-20 17:24 +0000
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On 20/11/2015 16:42, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 2:22:47 AM UTC-7, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>> On 19/11/2015 16:54, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 9:37:45 AM UTC-7, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>> On 19/11/2015 14:19, Justin wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:34:22 +0000
>>>>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18/11/2015 21:07, Justin wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:06:44 +0000
>>>>>>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 18/11/2015 13:01, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Desk Rabbit" <me@example.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:n2hs4r$36o$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org...
>>>>>>>>>> On 18/11/2015 12:32, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Desk Rabbit" <me@example.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:n2hp6m$o25$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/11/2015 11:09, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Run aptitude, refresh the package status, see over 1 Gb of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> updates (this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Debian unstable), start the timer....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> .... 11 minutes later, update done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I shudder to think how long this update would take on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <laughing> Windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "giggle" - What is it with weirdos like Ahlstrom that they have
>>>>>>>>>>> to <laugh>
>>>>>>>>>>> and <giggle> all the time?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         I got a big laugh out of the Surface add where they boast
>>>>>>>>>>> about the USB
>>>>>>>>>>>         port, showing someone carrying one with a big blue *dongle*
>>>>>>>>>>> <laughing> hanging off of it, like it was exposing itself.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There's nothing funnier that a "big blue *dongle* <laughing>"
>>>>>>>>>>> that's "exposing itself" in a television commercial for a laptop
>>>>>>>>>>> computer.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't get any weirder than this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why does it even matter, who sits looking at their machine
>>>>>>>>>>>> doing updates?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I bet you love sitting and watching paint dry as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There's a difference in distributing an update that has to work
>>>>>>>>>>> on many 100's of millions of consumer machines and a Debian
>>>>>>>>>>> update to a small number
>>>>>>>>>>> of geeks. If one particular update causes problems/breaks
>>>>>>>>>>> something then it's easy to undo and uninstall one specific
>>>>>>>>>>> update. With aptitude, not exactly easy to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Works for me" doesn't cut it. What happens to work on one
>>>>>>>>>>> machine doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> mean it'll work on many 100's of millions of machines without a
>>>>>>>>>>> need to undo
>>>>>>>>>>> an update.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The time an update takes isn't all that interesting. This
>>>>>>>>>>> multi-tasking thing actually works making it a moot point. I do
>>>>>>>>>>> think that Windows updates
>>>>>>>>>>> should be faster but it's pretty far down my wish-list.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We roll out Windows updates overnight to our customers. Even if
>>>>>>>>>> they switch off their machines our management system can send a
>>>>>>>>>> WOL, install the updates and then shut down the machine. Zero
>>>>>>>>>> disruption to the working day, maximum availability and
>>>>>>>>>> productivity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's a really good way of doing it. From my laptop I can
>>>>>>>>> manually send a WOL to the desktop in my office and then RDP in
>>>>>>>>> to kick-off an update. I don't think that update-time is keeping
>>>>>>>>> many IT managers up at night.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Indeed not, we all sleep well. We don't roll them out at the same
>>>>>>>> time either, clients are grouped to get updates on different days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You also sleep alone!  There's a reason for that.
>>>>>>> ha ha ha ha!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice example of a Linux loser there. You can't offer any way that
>>>>>> Linux beats or matches Windows in this area so you just launch a
>>>>>> personal attack. Pathetic.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why I use a Mac and you're stuck running 32 bit software on a
>>>>> fundamentally flawed OS.
>>>>
>>>> All the Office apps are available in 64bit.
>>>
>>> But the 'IT Master' just said they were only 32 bit on the Mac:
>>>
>>> "Just checked and even the NEWEST MS Word is 32-bit (on OS X). Why? So is my
>>> third party mouse driver... and some other software one would think would
>>> have been updated." - Snit
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.os.linux.advocacy/sCNDqZwd3x8/GqD3YMgbAQAJ
>>>
>>> Seems one of you must be "wrong".
>>>
>>
>> I was talking about Windows,
>
> You might have been 'thinking' about Windows but you certainly weren't 'talking' about it when you said  "All the Office apps...".
>
>> Snit was talking about OS X.
>
> Yes, and it's obvious I made that clear already.
>
>> Your obsession with him is really clouding your mind buddy.
>
> Said the guy who confuses what he 'thinks' about with what he 'talks' about. You must be real fun at parties.
>

Just because you are struggling to comprehend within context and follow 
a plain English message, there is no need to get quite so hot under the 
collar.

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Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-18 06:09 -0500
  Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-18 12:01 +0000
    Re: Advantage, Linux "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-18 07:32 -0500
      Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-18 12:51 +0000
        Re: Advantage, Linux "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-18 08:01 -0500
          Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-18 14:06 +0000
            Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 16:07 -0500
              Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-19 10:34 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-19 09:19 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 10:42 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 09:02 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-19 17:08 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 09:19 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-19 17:55 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-19 18:39 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 13:20 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-19 12:38 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 14:43 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 16:06 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 00:46 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 16:52 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 01:01 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 17:06 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 01:15 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 18:57 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 08:13 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-20 06:48 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-20 14:05 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 13:53 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 17:14 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 12:04 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-19 16:37 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 08:54 -0800
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 13:18 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 12:06 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 09:22 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 11:52 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 08:41 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 17:19 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 09:09 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 17:14 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 09:33 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 08:46 -0800
                Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 17:22 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 08:42 -0800
                Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 17:24 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 10:34 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 11:31 -0800
                Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-23 09:30 +0000
          My home folder is "C:\\__", but I don't let Windows know that. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-18 14:19 -0800
            Re: My home folder is "C:\\__", but I don't let Windows know that. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:10 -0500
              99.99% of the time, mental health can't be bought. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-22 05:46 -0800
                Re: 99.99% of the time, mental health can't be bought. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:54 -0500
                Some are "poor" because they do _not_ stress over money. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-22 06:38 -0800
                Re: Some are "poor" because they do _not_ stress over money. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-22 10:04 -0500
                I have a vasectomy, I'm stress free. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-22 07:35 -0800
                Re: I have a vasectomy, I'm stress free. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-22 10:44 -0500
                How many wives/kids do you have ? Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-22 15:29 -0800
                Re: How many wives/kids do you have ? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 03:15 -0500
      Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 09:43 -0500
    Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 12:48 -0500
      Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 13:04 -0500
        Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 13:10 -0500
          Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 18:22 +0000
            Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 13:23 -0500
              Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 14:04 -0500
              Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-22 17:04 -0500
            Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 17:18 -0500
              Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 23:47 +0000
          Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 13:56 -0500
            Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 19:13 +0000
              Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 15:56 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 21:14 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 19:03 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 00:59 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-19 09:51 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 19:32 +0000
              Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 17:20 -0500
              Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 17:26 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 23:50 +0000
            Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-18 14:06 -0600
              Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 16:04 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-18 23:02 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-18 19:12 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-19 09:17 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-19 15:38 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-19 09:50 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-19 10:26 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-19 18:10 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-19 15:41 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-19 15:15 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 22:54 +0000
            Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-18 15:51 -0500
            Re: Advantage, Linux "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-18 20:52 -0500
  Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 09:38 -0500
    Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 14:44 +0000
      Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 09:54 -0500
        Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:16 +0000
          Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 11:23 -0500
    Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 13:07 -0500
      Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 13:22 -0500
    Re: Advantage, Linux Marti van Lin <ml2mst@dontevenbother.invalid> - 2015-11-19 18:54 +0100
      Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-19 15:47 -0500
        Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 18:01 -0500
  Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-18 15:15 +0000
    Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-18 16:27 +0100
      Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-18 10:41 -0500
        Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-18 16:45 +0100
          Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:51 +0000
          Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-18 15:48 -0500
            Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-18 23:01 +0100
              Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 14:18 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-19 15:37 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-11-19 08:47 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 07:40 -0800
                Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 22:59 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 00:43 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-20 10:05 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 11:50 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-20 13:09 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-20 09:30 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-20 13:58 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-20 15:41 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 02:49 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-21 09:31 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-11-21 22:17 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-22 09:07 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 08:09 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-20 13:32 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-20 07:43 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 08:58 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 08:57 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-11-20 08:15 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 12:51 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-20 14:01 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 02:48 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-21 09:30 +0000
            Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-18 19:11 -0600
            Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 14:19 +0000
        Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:50 +0000
          Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 11:25 -0500
        Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 08:21 +0000
          Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 08:18 -0500
      Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:49 +0000
        Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-18 16:51 +0100
          Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:53 +0000
      Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 08:19 +0000
  Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 12:49 -0500

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