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Re: Ping Owl: Your preview PDF

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On 8/28/15, 7:56 PM, in article famvnjc83.asdjf@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

...
>>> The pdf tools on linux can do all of that.
> 
>> I would love to see you view a webpage with your main browser and send it to
>> your Recipes folder.
> 
> How does a menu option appear in a browser's menu tree if it was not coded
> to have that option by the developer?

Because it is built into the standard print dialog. Here... cleared out my
menu folder in case, uh, someone somehow does something evil to me by seeing
them. Anyway, then opened Safari, Chrome, and Firefox and went to whatever
recipe popped into my head - and went to the print format. Most recipe sites
have this. Then save them to my recipe folder... which I have open just to
show they are going to the folder. Usually it would not be open.

To show they are the recipes I use QuickLook, and you can see I can click on
one then just use the arrows to move between them... no need to even see the
files.

<http://youtu.be/2f0MtRQxV-w>

Now I *know* the same thing is possible on Linux. Once you had those recipes
open you would:

1) Go to browser and print
2) Select to save to PDF
3) Navigate to your Recipes folder
4) Repeat that for each browser

Then to preview you could open each one in a PDF viewer. And then close
them. 

It works. It is not evil or horrible or unusable. But it is not as
streamlined and quick. And, of course, I could do the same thing for Web
Receipts or anything else I often use.

And keep in mind this is not just from web browsers. It is also from word
processors, email clients, PDF viewers, Usenet clients, RSS clients,
Spreadsheets, Presentation tools, ... just about ANY tool on OS X.

Again, the only exceptions I know of are GIMP and Jave (the old ASCII tool).
I have not checked all 200+ programs on my system, but as would be surprised
if more than one or two others lacked this feature.

Most users would NEVER run into ANY program that does not have this working.
Heck, I show Chrome and it deals with it more poorly than any common program
I know - it makes you hit a separate button to get to the system dialog...
no simple way of preventing that (which is stupid and designed to push
Google Drive).

>>>> Not that these things cannot be done on Linux. They can. But your tools
>>>> would not likely be a part of the workflow...
>>> 
>>> It's up to the developer.
> 
>> It is the norm on OS X. Only very rarely do you see an exception.
> 
> The fact that there are exceptions is proof that it is the developer's
> decision to add it or not.

Of course a developer can be stupid or otherwise go out of their way to make
their program NOT work.

>>>> you would more likely save
>>>> print them as PDF to the folder you wanted or to the desktop (or wherever)
>>>> and use them as an attachment.
>>> 
>>> How it works is up to the developer.
> 
>> It is a part of the common system print dialog.
> 
> A common print dialog could be coded to provide these PDF services on Linux.
> (Aside from the print to pdf which is already ubiquitous).

Right. It *COULD* be. COULD.

On OS X it *IS*.

Do you see the difference? And do you see the benefit to the work flow?
Again, I am being very clear that this is not something which makes Linux
unusable or horrible or whatever. What I am noting is a cool feature... and,
yes, it is one that Linux lacks (as far as I know).

>>>> The ironic thing is on OS X your work would be more likely to be used in an
>>>> alternate workflow - it is easier to get to the containing folder of a open
>>>> document (as least as far as I know - open to being shown wrong). In that
>>>> case someone might jump to the containing folder, convert it, then email it
>>>> or whatever. 
>>> 
>>> The stuff I show in the most recent video could easily be integrated into
>>> a GUI application's menu structure:
>>> https://vid.me/H9m0
> 
>> By all means show it in, say, 5 GUI programs. I will show 5 similar programs
>> with it on OS X. NO extra work from me. None. It already exists.
> 
> I'm not writing 5 GUI programs.  I'm not writing one.

Right! That is the point. Nor am I.

> The principle I demonstrated in the CLI program pertains to any GUI program
> which might be coded to take advantage of these tools.  If you think it does
> not, then you need to explain why you think it does not.

Can you point to someone who suggested such a program could not be written?
not sure what your point is.


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