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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... |
| Date | 2015-03-30 14:01 -0700 |
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On 3/30/15, 1:27 PM, in article b558b36e-e894-4401-be70-45090e999d69@googlegroups.com, "Steve Carroll" <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: ... >>>>> And I don't want it to be harder for developers, so you can stop saying >>>>> that. >>>> >>>> Your argument is that it requires "additional engineering discipline". How >>>> is that not making things harder? >>> >>> It *provides* additional engineering discipline. It doesn't require >>> anything. >> >> How does it provide this discipline? Even for you that is an absurd comment. And you have no answer for this. >>>> And it does so with no benefit you can name. >>>> >>> More rigid engineering isn't a benefit? >>> >> Making things harder to prove you have discipline is not a benefit. And you have no answer for this. >>> Okay. I guess it depends on your personality maybe, but I'm all for >>> specificity and strictness in engineering and science. >> >> An nothing about case insensately is against this. As covered. And as you >> snipped. >> >> Are you next going to go back to bragging how you figured out colleges teach >> case sensitive languages? LOL! Hey, at least you did not just do this again. LOL! ... >>>>> I want some enforced strictness and rigidity like all other engineering >>>>> disciplines, which also do not take shortcuts. >>>> >>>> If you do not want to take shortcuts then learn machine code. Everything >>>> else is a shortcut, right? >>> >>> No, not everything else is a shortcut, just like CAD is not a shortcut. >>> Any other words you want to put in my mouth? >> >> Higher level programming is a shortcut to making machine code. You say you >> do not want to take shortcuts... so why not program in machine code. Imagine >> the "discipline" that would require to do it well for modern, large >> programs. >> >> You could be the best in the world! And you have no answer to this. >> And, posted so you can run from it again in fear - because you have no >> honest answer: >> >> In support of case insensitivity: >> * every college we can find >> * every university we can find >> * every source found through Google Scholar >> * and even every blogger - mind boggling to see such agreement >> * a whole list of specific affects to back the view >> >> In support of case sensitivity: >> * a language designed to be backward compatible with C is a lot like C! >> * popular equals best: go QWERTY and teaspoons (in the U.S)! >> * code snippets showing case sensitivity can be used >> * makes interfacing with other common languages. >> >> If you think I left some out please let me know what they are. >> >> >> >> >> >> From an older post: >> -------- >> * Every college and university found to take a stance on the issue >> (I have provided full links elsewhere - if you want them just ask): >> >> Clark Atlanta University >> Dublin City University >> Eastern Michigan University >> GeorgeTown University >> Ithaca College >> Michigan State University >> Purdue University >> Southeastern Louisiana University >> Southern Illinois University >> University of Hawaii >> University of Maine >> University of Maryland, Baltimore County >> Virginia Tech >> Western Michigan University >> >> * Every source found through Google Scholar: >> >> Advanced CORBA(R) Programming with C++ >> Essential C++ by Jarrell C. Grout, Robert G. Strader, >> and John B. Hanks >> <http://goo.gl/2AR9ZF> >> The case for Ada at the USAF academy >> Abstract available here: >> <http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=958430> >> >> * Every blogger writing about the topic: >> >> <http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/?p=110> >> <http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/?p=114> >> <http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/1114> > > Those three are a decade old. So show something newer. What do you think has changed since then? >> <http://goo.gl/g8FbNF> >> <http://goo.gl/5zT2Cn> > > Not touching your BS. How does my LINKING to something make it mine? Comes down to you having no reasoned response. >> Now of course the final categories, bloggers, are less authoritative than >> the other two, but it is truly amazing how there is not a single >> counter-example that has been shown in *any* of the categories. I expected >> to find *some* reference disagreeing... and still expect I or someone else >> will. >> >> And if this does happen you can bet that one source will be deemed by those >> who find it convenient to trump all the others. :) >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> And the links for the colleges I refer to above (and from another post): >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> <http://www.cs.georgetown.edu/~mahe/252/notes/ch5.ppt> > > Broken link. Right. This debate has been going on so long and you have been running so long some of the links have died. I quoted the relevant part, below. >> <http://www.ithaca.edu/barr/Student/CS321/Slides/Ch5.ppt> > > Broken link. See above. >> <https://cs.wmich.edu/~gupta/teaching/cs4850/sumII07/lecture%20notes/lec06-7 >> %20names%20bindings%20type-checking%20scope%200713-071607.pdf> > > A lecture from 2004? I wonder how long before this link is broken. Ah, so you wait years to respond to discussions hoping for the links referenced to die. What a great tactic you have there. >> <http://www2.southeastern.edu/Academics/Faculty/galkadi/401/notes/chapter5.d >> oc> >> <http://www.cis.cau.edu/courses/476/ppt/pl10ch5.ppt > > > FORTRAN I: maximum 6 > COBOL: maximum 30 > FORTRAN 90 and ANSI C: maximum 31 > Ada and Java: no limit, and all are significant > C++: no limit, but implementers often impose one b/c they do not want the > symbol table in which identifiers are stored during compilation to be too > large. Also, to simplify the maintenance of that table. > > The most "modern" language there is Ada (circa early 80s). They names only > "look alike" if you're not paying attention; any decent editor renders this a > moot point anyway. What do you think has changed since then? Point to info you think refutes it. More modern info. I am open to it. >> ----- >> Case sensitivity >> - Disadvantage: readability (names that look alike are different) >> * Names in the C-based languages are case sensitive >> * Names in others are not >> * Worse in C++, Java, and C# because predefined names are mixed >> case (e.g. IndexOutOfBoundsException) >> ----- >> >> <http://www.cse.msu.edu/~cse452/Fall2004/Lectures/04-binding.ppt> > > Another 2004 lecture based on the same languages as above. And something you cannot refute. OK. >> ----- >> Case sensitivity >> * Disadvantage: >> - readability (names that look alike are different) >> - writability (must remember exact spelling) >> ----- >> >> >> <http://www.emunix.emich.edu/~evett/ProgrammingLanguages/LectureNotes/ProgLa >> ng4.pdf> > > -- > Forbidden > > You don't have permission to access > /~evett/ProgrammingLanguages/LectureNotes/ProgLa ng4.pdf on this server. > -- I quoted the relevant text. You have no response. Got it. >> <http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs3304/Spring00/notes/Chapter-4/Names.pdf> > > Same lecture material of the same languages. Right. Used in many places. Well accepted in universities. >> <http://www2.cs.siu.edu/~rahimi/cs311/slides/Ch05.ppt> > > And again... Right. >> ----- >> * Disadvantage: readability (names that look alike are different) >> * Worse in Modula-2 because predefined names are mixed case (e.g. >> WriteCard) >> * C, C++, Ja va, and Modula-2 names are case sensitive >> * The names in other languages are not >> ----- >> >> <http://www2.hawaii.edu/~janst/313/slides/5.1%20Scope.ppt> > > Man, that same lecture material really got around, didn't it?! I guess there > was a store you could buy that sucker at. LOL! You're an idiot, Snit ;) Many colleges and universities are using this material. Right. In fact, ALL college / university classes where we can find any content seem to agree with the basics. And you have no response. That is a very strong point against you. >> ----- >> * Disadvantage: readability >> - names that look alike are different >> * C++ and Java: predefined names are mixed case >> - e.g. IndexOutOfBoundsException) >> * Effects on writability? >> ----- >> >> <http://www.csee.umbc.edu/courses/331/spring03/0101/lectures/finin5.ppt> > > Same again... yawn. That would make sense if you had given a reasoned response the first time! >> ----- >> * The first languages only had upper case >> * Case sensitivity was probably introduced by Unix and hence C. >> * Disadvantage: >> Poor readability, since names that look alike to a human are >> different >> * Advantages: >> Larger namespace >> Ability to use case to signify classes of variables >> (e.g., make constants be in uppercase) >> ----- >> >> <http://computing.dcu.ie/~humphrys/Notes/UNIX/intro.html> > > What's this supposed to show? It shows pros and cons. How can you possibly miss that? > I do see: > > "On Internet since 1987." > > At least he doesn't have the regurgitated lecture there ;) > > >> ----- >> Is case sensitivity a good thing? Or is it a flaw in UNIX (and >> C/C++)? >> >> Advantages of case sensitivity: >> * More readable code. You know what to expect. >> * More variables. num and NUM and Num >> * Set up conventions, so that NUM probably refers to a >> compile-time-coded constant, num is a real-time-changing >> variable, etc. Quicker/simpler searches on file lists, since can >> just search for the literal string. >> * Better to be case-sensitive for passwords. - Larger space to >> pick from. Harder to guess. Good to be "unforgiving" for security. >> >> Not much return for such huge disadvantages: >> * Millions of programmer and user hours lost on case not right. >> * UNIX web servers everywhere have constant log of "404 Not Found" >> which are really hits from people who noted a URL by hand and >> didn't know it should be case sensitive. (Web server should >> really have some logic to redirect of course.) >> ----- >> >> <http://www2.southeastern.edu/Academics/Faculty/galkadi/401/notes/chapter5.d >> oc> > > Same thing again. Right. And same running from you. >> <https://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/sbarakat/cs456/456-07-4up.pdf> > > Broken link. So? I quoted the original and it was not broken when I first showed it to you... only broken now because it has taken you years to actually somewhat respond... and even then only very, very weakly. >> ----- >> Case sensitivity >> - Disadvantage: readability (names that look alike are different) >> * Worse in C++ and Java because predefined names are mixed case >> (e.g. IndexOutOfBoundsException) >> * In C, however, exclusive use of lowercase for names. >> - C, C++, and Java names are case sensitive -> rose, Rose, ROSE >> are distinct names "What about Readability" >> ------ >> >> <http://umcs.maine.edu/~cmeadow/courses/cos301/cos301-5.pdf> > > There's one that actually differs but the languages being discussed are not > any more modern. Maybe he still uses this (seems he did as of a few years ago) > for 'historical' perspective. So show a newer one. Oh. You have none. >> ----- >> * Case sensitive languages have a readability issue: names that >> look alike are different >> * Case sensitive languages that do not require variable >> declarations also have a writability issue: it's too easy to >> accidentally create a new variable >> ----- >> >> >> Ouch. Come on, the consensus in COLA *must* be supported somewhere, right? >> This is just getting silly > > To have presented "evidence" consisting of a number of broken/forbidden links > and a regurgitated lecture that looks like it was purchased from 'the Lecture > Store' circa 2004 is what's silly here. The links were fine when you were first shown them... and you have NO counter. You change the topic, snip, run for YEARS until links break, and babble about things like how people teach languages nobody said they do not. That is sorta the point. And now you know where I have shown: In support of case insensitivity: * every college we can find * every university we can find * every source found through Google Scholar * and even every blogger - mind boggling to see such agreement * a whole list of specific affects to back the view In support of case sensitivity: * a language designed to be backward compatible with C is a lot like C! * popular equals best: go QWERTY and teaspoons (in the U.S)! * code snippets showing case sensitivity can be used * makes interfacing with other common languages. 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Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-26 19:08 -0700
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Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-26 15:09 -0400
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-26 12:16 -0700
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Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-04 08:33 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-04 20:00 -0400
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-04 16:58 +0000
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-04 19:59 -0400
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-05 00:29 +0000
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-04 20:47 -0400
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-05 00:59 +0000
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 14:19 -0600
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-25 10:31 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-25 11:06 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-25 11:21 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-25 12:16 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-25 13:17 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-25 23:41 -0400
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-25 20:52 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-25 21:20 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-26 04:44 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-26 08:21 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 14:16 -0600
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-26 13:18 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-26 08:54 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-26 13:23 +0100
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-26 07:39 -0500
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-26 08:49 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-26 20:14 +0100
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-26 11:11 -0400
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-26 08:55 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-26 09:28 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-03-24 13:07 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 13:26 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 11:51 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-24 16:26 -0400
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-24 13:52 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-24 22:00 +0100
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 15:30 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-24 17:09 -0400
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 15:43 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-25 10:57 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-25 23:42 -0400
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-26 16:20 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-26 19:12 -0600
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-03-26 22:32 -0500
Snit says cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'!?!? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-27 06:10 -0400
Re: Snit says cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'!?!? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-27 08:09 -0400
Re: Snit says cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'!?!? "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-27 09:02 -0400
Re: Snit says cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'!?!? GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-27 14:06 -0600
Re: Snit says cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'!?!? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-27 07:42 -0500
Re: Snit says cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'!?!? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-27 09:08 -0400
Re: Snit says cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'!?!? "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-27 09:26 -0400
Re: Snit says cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'!?!? GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-27 14:04 -0600
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 14:41 -0700
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