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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Subject | Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... |
| Date | 2015-03-30 11:48 -0700 |
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On 3/30/15, 11:19 AM, in article
566c03b4-0a99-4ddb-beef-e8ca0c71e1e1@googlegroups.com, "cc"
<scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 1:03:03 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
>> On 3/30/15, 9:44 AM, in article
>> 4920cd31-ac33-4384-a560-57cfa1536d68@googlegroups.com, "cc"
>> <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> It is not harder for developers.
>>
>> But it requires more from them.
>>
>> What?
>
> It requires a compiler reporting an error. It doesn't require
> anything additional from a developer.
Case errors can lead to a lot more than that... esp. in languages where you
do not explicitly define variables. As has been covered. As you snip.
...
>>> And I don't want it to be harder for developers, so you can stop saying
>>> that.
>>
>> Your argument is that it requires "additional engineering discipline". How
>> is that not making things harder?
>
> It *provides* additional engineering discipline. It doesn't require
> anything.
How does it provide this discipline? Even for you that is an absurd comment.
>> And it does so with no benefit you can name.
>>
> More rigid engineering isn't a benefit?
>
Making things harder to prove you have discipline is not a benefit.
> Okay. I guess it depends on
> your personality maybe, but I'm all for specificity and strictness
> in engineering and science.
An nothing about case insensately is against this. As covered. And as you
snipped.
Are you next going to go back to bragging how you figured out colleges teach
case sensitive languages? LOL!
You made a complete idiot of yourself on that and on this whole topic.
...
>> But it makes them disciplined.
>>
>> ᖴᴑrϲ¡ทց ᖙҿνҿlᴑբҿrຮ ϯᴑ իɑνҿ ϯᴑ lҿɑrท ϯᴑ ϯӳբҿ l¡ĸҿ ϯի¡ຮ աᴑulᖙ ɑlຮᴑ rҿզu¡rҿ
>> ɑᖙᖙ¡ϯ¡ᴑทɑl ҿทց¡ทҿҿr¡ทց ᖙ¡ຮϲ¡բl¡ทҿ.
>
> No it would not. What is "engineering" about reading or writing that
> text? Another strawman that fails.
If they had to learn to type like that to code it would take a lot of
discipline.
>>> I want some enforced strictness and rigidity like all other engineering
>>> disciplines, which also do not take shortcuts.
>>
>> If you do not want to take shortcuts then learn machine code. Everything
>> else is a shortcut, right?
>
> No, not everything else is a shortcut, just like CAD is not a shortcut.
> Any other words you want to put in my mouth?
Higher level programming is a shortcut to making machine code. You say you
do not want to take shortcuts... so why not program in machine code. Imagine
the "discipline" that would require to do it well for modern, large
programs.
You could be the best in the world!
And, posted so you can run from it again in fear - because you have no
honest answer:
In support of case insensitivity:
* every college we can find
* every university we can find
* every source found through Google Scholar
* and even every blogger - mind boggling to see such agreement
* a whole list of specific affects to back the view
In support of case sensitivity:
* a language designed to be backward compatible with C is a lot like C!
* popular equals best: go QWERTY and teaspoons (in the U.S)!
* code snippets showing case sensitivity can be used
* makes interfacing with other common languages.
If you think I left some out please let me know what they are.
From an older post:
--------
* Every college and university found to take a stance on the issue
(I have provided full links elsewhere - if you want them just ask):
Clark Atlanta University
Dublin City University
Eastern Michigan University
GeorgeTown University
Ithaca College
Michigan State University
Purdue University
Southeastern Louisiana University
Southern Illinois University
University of Hawaii
University of Maine
University of Maryland, Baltimore County
Virginia Tech
Western Michigan University
* Every source found through Google Scholar:
Advanced CORBA(R) Programming with C++
Essential C++ by Jarrell C. Grout, Robert G. Strader,
and John B. Hanks
<http://goo.gl/2AR9ZF>
The case for Ada at the USAF academy
Abstract available here:
<http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=958430>
* Every blogger writing about the topic:
<http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/?p=110>
<http://www.somethinkodd.com/oddthinking/?p=114>
<http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/1114>
<http://goo.gl/g8FbNF>
<http://goo.gl/5zT2Cn>
Now of course the final categories, bloggers, are less authoritative than
the other two, but it is truly amazing how there is not a single
counter-example that has been shown in *any* of the categories. I expected
to find *some* reference disagreeing... and still expect I or someone else
will.
And if this does happen you can bet that one source will be deemed by those
who find it convenient to trump all the others. :)
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And the links for the colleges I refer to above (and from another post):
---------------------------------------------------------------
<http://www.cs.georgetown.edu/~mahe/252/notes/ch5.ppt>
<http://www.ithaca.edu/barr/Student/CS321/Slides/Ch5.ppt>
<https://cs.wmich.edu/~gupta/teaching/cs4850/sumII07/lecture%20notes/lec06-7
%20names%20bindings%20type-checking%20scope%200713-071607.pdf>
<http://www2.southeastern.edu/Academics/Faculty/galkadi/401/notes/chapter5.d
oc>
<http://www.cis.cau.edu/courses/476/ppt/pl10ch5.ppt >
-----
Case sensitivity
- Disadvantage: readability (names that look alike are different)
* Names in the C-based languages are case sensitive
* Names in others are not
* Worse in C++, Java, and C# because predefined names are mixed
case (e.g. IndexOutOfBoundsException)
-----
<http://www.cse.msu.edu/~cse452/Fall2004/Lectures/04-binding.ppt>
-----
Case sensitivity
* Disadvantage:
- readability (names that look alike are different)
- writability (must remember exact spelling)
-----
<http://www.emunix.emich.edu/~evett/ProgrammingLanguages/LectureNotes/ProgLa
ng4.pdf>
<http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs3304/Spring00/notes/Chapter-4/Names.pdf>
<http://www2.cs.siu.edu/~rahimi/cs311/slides/Ch05.ppt>
-----
* Disadvantage: readability (names that look alike are different)
* Worse in Modula-2 because predefined names are mixed case (e.g.
WriteCard)
* C, C++, Ja va, and Modula-2 names are case sensitive
* The names in other languages are not
-----
<http://www2.hawaii.edu/~janst/313/slides/5.1%20Scope.ppt>
-----
* Disadvantage: readability
- names that look alike are different
* C++ and Java: predefined names are mixed case
- e.g. IndexOutOfBoundsException)
* Effects on writability?
-----
<http://www.csee.umbc.edu/courses/331/spring03/0101/lectures/finin5.ppt>
-----
* The first languages only had upper case
* Case sensitivity was probably introduced by Unix and hence C.
* Disadvantage:
Poor readability, since names that look alike to a human are
different
* Advantages:
Larger namespace
Ability to use case to signify classes of variables
(e.g., make constants be in uppercase)
-----
<http://computing.dcu.ie/~humphrys/Notes/UNIX/intro.html>
-----
Is case sensitivity a good thing? Or is it a flaw in UNIX (and
C/C++)?
Advantages of case sensitivity:
* More readable code. You know what to expect.
* More variables. num and NUM and Num
* Set up conventions, so that NUM probably refers to a
compile-time-coded constant, num is a real-time-changing
variable, etc. Quicker/simpler searches on file lists, since can
just search for the literal string.
* Better to be case-sensitive for passwords. - Larger space to
pick from. Harder to guess. Good to be "unforgiving" for security.
Not much return for such huge disadvantages:
* Millions of programmer and user hours lost on case not right.
* UNIX web servers everywhere have constant log of "404 Not Found"
which are really hits from people who noted a URL by hand and
didn't know it should be case sensitive. (Web server should
really have some logic to redirect of course.)
-----
<http://www2.southeastern.edu/Academics/Faculty/galkadi/401/notes/chapter5.d
oc>
<https://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/sbarakat/cs456/456-07-4up.pdf>
-----
Case sensitivity
- Disadvantage: readability (names that look alike are different)
* Worse in C++ and Java because predefined names are mixed case
(e.g. IndexOutOfBoundsException)
* In C, however, exclusive use of lowercase for names.
- C, C++, and Java names are case sensitive -> rose, Rose, ROSE
are distinct names "What about Readability"
------
<http://umcs.maine.edu/~cmeadow/courses/cos301/cos301-5.pdf>
-----
* Case sensitive languages have a readability issue: names that
look alike are different
* Case sensitive languages that do not require variable
declarations also have a writability issue: it's too easy to
accidentally create a new variable
-----
Ouch. Come on, the consensus in COLA *must* be supported somewhere, right?
This is just getting silly - I truly am shocked not a single source can be
found in support of case sensitivity. Not at all what I expected.
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Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-05 00:59 +0000
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 14:19 -0600
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-25 10:31 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-25 11:06 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-25 11:21 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-25 12:16 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-25 13:17 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-25 23:41 -0400
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-25 20:52 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-25 21:20 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-26 04:44 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-26 08:21 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-26 14:16 -0600
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-26 13:18 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-26 08:54 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-26 13:23 +0100
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-26 07:39 -0500
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-26 08:49 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-26 20:14 +0100
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-26 11:11 -0400
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-26 08:55 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-26 09:28 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-03-24 13:07 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 13:26 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 11:51 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-24 16:26 -0400
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-24 13:52 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-24 22:00 +0100
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 15:30 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-24 17:09 -0400
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 15:43 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-25 10:57 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-25 23:42 -0400
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-26 16:20 -0700
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-03-26 19:12 -0600
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-03-26 22:32 -0500
Snit says cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'!?!? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-27 06:10 -0400
Re: Snit says cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'!?!? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-27 08:09 -0400
Re: Snit says cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'!?!? "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-27 09:02 -0400
Re: Snit says cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'!?!? GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-27 14:06 -0600
Re: Snit says cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'!?!? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-27 07:42 -0500
Re: Snit says cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'!?!? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-27 09:08 -0400
Re: Snit says cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'!?!? "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-27 09:26 -0400
Re: Snit says cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'!?!? GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-27 14:04 -0600
Re: Snit, when you say cola trusts your views on 'pretty much any topic'... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 14:41 -0700
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