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Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils

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On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 10:44:06AM +0200, Ansgar wrote:
> On Fri, 2021-09-24 at 09:26 +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > In my opinion, an amicable middle-ground proposal would be that the 
> > debianutils maintainer completely removes "which" from debianutils,
> > and assuming the sysvinit-utils maintainers agree, that they adopt
> > both the existing "which" and (at least temporarily) "tempfile".
> 
> There is an open bug asking for sysvinit-utils to no longer be
> essential[1]. With that in mind one should probably not move new stuff
> to it to keep it in the essential set.
> 
> (This is no argument for/against `which` and/or `tempfile` to be
> considered essential.)
> 
> Ansgar
> 
>   [1]: https://bugs.debian.org/851747


  - get moved to an existing Essential package, perhaps debianutils

Ouch.

I didn't mention that debianutils would not be the worst place and name 
for a random-stuff-that-is-essential-for-historical-reasons package
since that would not have been constructive here...

which+tempfile+sysvinit-utils combined is not much more than 100 kB
binaries in the essential set.

coreutils grew from 15.7 MB in buster to 17.5 MB in bullseye,
which has added literally more than an order of magnitude more to
the essential set than all these programs people want to remove.

After the release of bullseye, debianutils has added                  
a nearly 4 kB "update-shells" to the essential set.

Compared to these I have not yet seen any reason (or clear maintainer 
statement) why removing the 1 kB "which" script from the essential set 
would be worth all the troubles all this has already caused in other 
packages, plus all future work it causes.

cu
Adrian

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Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-09-15 00:40 +0200
  Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2021-09-15 09:30 +0200
    Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-09-15 12:00 +0200
      Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2021-09-15 14:20 +0200
  Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2021-09-15 13:10 +0200
  Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Clint Adams <clint@debian.org> - 2021-09-16 23:40 +0200
  Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2021-09-17 00:10 +0200
  Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2021-09-17 00:10 +0200
    Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-09-24 08:30 +0200
      Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2021-09-24 10:20 +0200
      Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2021-09-24 10:50 +0200
        Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-09-24 14:20 +0200
      Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Clint Adams <clint@debian.org> - 2021-09-24 15:00 +0200
  Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Clint Adams <clint@debian.org> - 2021-09-25 04:30 +0200
    Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2021-09-25 12:40 +0200
      Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Clint Adams <clint@debian.org> - 2021-10-04 00:20 +0200
        Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2021-10-06 11:40 +0200
          Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-10-06 12:40 +0200
          Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2021-10-06 18:20 +0200
  Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2021-10-11 02:00 +0200
  Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2021-10-11 02:10 +0200
    Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Sebastian Ramacher <sramacher@debian.org> - 2021-10-11 10:50 +0200
      Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> - 2021-10-17 14:40 +0200
  Bug#994275: Draft resolution for reverting changes in debianutils Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2021-10-13 22:20 +0200
    Bug#994275: Draft resolution for reverting changes in debianutils David Bremner <david@tethera.net> - 2021-10-14 00:40 +0200
      Bug#994275: Draft resolution for reverting changes in debianutils Wookey <wookey@wookware.org> - 2021-10-17 15:40 +0200
      Bug#994275: Draft resolution for reverting changes in debianutils Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2021-10-18 11:40 +0200
        Bug#994275: Draft resolution for reverting changes in debianutils Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2021-10-18 12:30 +0200
          Bug#994275: Draft resolution for reverting changes in debianutils Christoph Berg <myon@debian.org> - 2021-10-18 12:50 +0200
      Bug#994275: Draft resolution for reverting changes in debianutils Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2021-10-18 21:00 +0200
        Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Clint Adams <clint@debian.org> - 2021-10-24 21:20 +0200
          Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils tito <farmatito@tiscali.it> - 2021-10-26 13:00 +0200
          Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Wookey <wookey@wookware.org> - 2021-10-26 15:20 +0200
            Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Clint Adams <clint@debian.org> - 2021-10-26 21:20 +0200
              Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2021-10-26 22:00 +0200
                Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Clint Adams <clint@debian.org> - 2021-10-26 22:20 +0200
          Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2021-10-29 10:10 +0200
    Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Clint Adams <clint@debian.org> - 2021-10-16 08:00 +0200
      Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2021-10-16 18:00 +0200
      Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com> - 2021-10-17 12:50 +0200
      Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2021-10-18 21:00 +0200
  Bug#994275: Call for votes on "Reverting breaking changes in debianutils" Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2021-10-20 21:40 +0200
    Bug#994275: Call for votes on "Reverting breaking changes in debianutils" Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2021-10-21 18:00 +0200
  Bug#994275: Call for votes on "Reverting breaking changes in debianutils" Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2021-10-20 21:40 +0200
    Bug#994275: Call for votes on "Reverting breaking changes in debianutils" David Bremner <david@tethera.net> - 2021-10-20 22:10 +0200
    Bug#994275: Call for votes on "Reverting breaking changes in debianutils" Christoph Berg <myon@debian.org> - 2021-10-22 20:50 +0200
    Bug#994275: Call for votes on "Reverting breaking changes in debianutils" Elana Hashman <ehashman@debian.org> - 2021-10-22 22:00 +0200
    Bug#994275: Call for votes on "Reverting breaking changes in debianutils" Margarita Manterola <marga@debian.org> - 2021-10-26 19:20 +0200
    Bug#994275: Call for votes on "Reverting breaking changes in debianutils" Niko Tyni <ntyni@debian.org> - 2021-10-26 21:20 +0200
    Bug#994275: Call for votes on "Reverting breaking changes in debianutils" Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2021-10-27 19:10 +0200
  Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2021-11-02 08:40 +0100

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