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Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils

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On Sun, 24 Oct 2021, Clint Adams wrote:
> > In any case, a message saying that which is deprecated when in fact
> > `which` will stay around (but maintained in another packages) is not
> > helpful.
> 
> Tell me, what would be helpful?

A coordinated take over of the binary with a proper transition as
recommended by the tech-ctte.

I have sympathy with your reasoning and I can certainly relate to things
that we did 20 years ago, where we happily broke unstable after a release
but we have changed.

Yes, on some aspects we have become more conservative. I certainly wish
to change that, but not by going backwards, but by providing new avenues
to experiment and make large-scale changes without breaking unstable/testing.

> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 11:50:32AM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
> > As Raphael has mentioned, it's unlikely that when debianutils' which(1)
> > has been replaced with one in another essential or transitively
> > essential package that the new which(1), whether it's the same code or
> > something else, will print deprecation warnings.  And then it seems odd
> > to print them for a while and then stop printing them.
> 
> I find this to be a curious statement.  This implies a contract of
> future behavior that does not exist.

Right, but that's we are doing in Debian when we discuss together and make
plans for further changes and then try to stick to the plan. You seem to
consider Debian as a more "organic entity" that is not controllable and
that you have no chance to influence.

And as often, the reality is somewhere in the middle.

Cheers,
-- 
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Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-09-15 00:40 +0200
  Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2021-09-15 09:30 +0200
    Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-09-15 12:00 +0200
      Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2021-09-15 14:20 +0200
  Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2021-09-15 13:10 +0200
  Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Clint Adams <clint@debian.org> - 2021-09-16 23:40 +0200
  Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2021-09-17 00:10 +0200
  Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2021-09-17 00:10 +0200
    Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-09-24 08:30 +0200
      Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2021-09-24 10:20 +0200
      Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2021-09-24 10:50 +0200
        Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-09-24 14:20 +0200
      Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Clint Adams <clint@debian.org> - 2021-09-24 15:00 +0200
  Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Clint Adams <clint@debian.org> - 2021-09-25 04:30 +0200
    Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2021-09-25 12:40 +0200
      Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Clint Adams <clint@debian.org> - 2021-10-04 00:20 +0200
        Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2021-10-06 11:40 +0200
          Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-10-06 12:40 +0200
          Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2021-10-06 18:20 +0200
  Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2021-10-11 02:00 +0200
  Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2021-10-11 02:10 +0200
    Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Sebastian Ramacher <sramacher@debian.org> - 2021-10-11 10:50 +0200
      Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> - 2021-10-17 14:40 +0200
  Bug#994275: Draft resolution for reverting changes in debianutils Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2021-10-13 22:20 +0200
    Bug#994275: Draft resolution for reverting changes in debianutils David Bremner <david@tethera.net> - 2021-10-14 00:40 +0200
      Bug#994275: Draft resolution for reverting changes in debianutils Wookey <wookey@wookware.org> - 2021-10-17 15:40 +0200
      Bug#994275: Draft resolution for reverting changes in debianutils Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2021-10-18 11:40 +0200
        Bug#994275: Draft resolution for reverting changes in debianutils Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2021-10-18 12:30 +0200
          Bug#994275: Draft resolution for reverting changes in debianutils Christoph Berg <myon@debian.org> - 2021-10-18 12:50 +0200
      Bug#994275: Draft resolution for reverting changes in debianutils Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2021-10-18 21:00 +0200
        Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Clint Adams <clint@debian.org> - 2021-10-24 21:20 +0200
          Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils tito <farmatito@tiscali.it> - 2021-10-26 13:00 +0200
          Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Wookey <wookey@wookware.org> - 2021-10-26 15:20 +0200
            Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Clint Adams <clint@debian.org> - 2021-10-26 21:20 +0200
              Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2021-10-26 22:00 +0200
                Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Clint Adams <clint@debian.org> - 2021-10-26 22:20 +0200
          Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2021-10-29 10:10 +0200
    Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Clint Adams <clint@debian.org> - 2021-10-16 08:00 +0200
      Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2021-10-16 18:00 +0200
      Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com> - 2021-10-17 12:50 +0200
      Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2021-10-18 21:00 +0200
  Bug#994275: Call for votes on "Reverting breaking changes in debianutils" Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2021-10-20 21:40 +0200
    Bug#994275: Call for votes on "Reverting breaking changes in debianutils" Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2021-10-21 18:00 +0200
  Bug#994275: Call for votes on "Reverting breaking changes in debianutils" Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2021-10-20 21:40 +0200
    Bug#994275: Call for votes on "Reverting breaking changes in debianutils" David Bremner <david@tethera.net> - 2021-10-20 22:10 +0200
    Bug#994275: Call for votes on "Reverting breaking changes in debianutils" Christoph Berg <myon@debian.org> - 2021-10-22 20:50 +0200
    Bug#994275: Call for votes on "Reverting breaking changes in debianutils" Elana Hashman <ehashman@debian.org> - 2021-10-22 22:00 +0200
    Bug#994275: Call for votes on "Reverting breaking changes in debianutils" Margarita Manterola <marga@debian.org> - 2021-10-26 19:20 +0200
    Bug#994275: Call for votes on "Reverting breaking changes in debianutils" Niko Tyni <ntyni@debian.org> - 2021-10-26 21:20 +0200
    Bug#994275: Call for votes on "Reverting breaking changes in debianutils" Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2021-10-27 19:10 +0200
  Bug#994275: Reverting breaking changes in debianutils Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2021-11-02 08:40 +0100

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