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Re: smart fans

From Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: smart fans
Date 2021-08-22 23:10 +0200
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On Sunday 22 August 2021 12:46:14 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

> On 2021-08-22 10:02 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote:
> > tomas wrote:
> >> I disagree. The thing poses [1] as a DC motor (2 pins power,
> >> one tacho). I don't think you get too much control over RPM
> >
> > That's what you get with the 4th wire/pin? A sensor to
> > read RPM?
>
> Opposite
> 3 wire = 2 wire to drive motor + 1 wire to get speed
> 4 wire = 2 wire to drive, 1 to get speed, 1 to modify speed
>
I as a CET, am totally unimpressed with the miss-information being thrown 
about in this thread. A total lack of how its actually done in real 
hardware.

1. Any si diode, passing a few microamps of fwd current, is in fact an 
excellent, does not need to be calibrated, thermometer capable of 1 
degree C accuracy.  There are several million candidates buried in 
todays cpu's.

2, even a 2 wire fan can be controlled by using this voltage to determine 
the on time of a small transistor. Often down to 1% speed at room tmps, 
so other than the cost of the time at die bondout time, its free. The 1% 
minimum is actually used to help distribute the motors lubricant.

3, boiled down, the temp measured by this diode can be scaled to control 
the fan to maintain the device being monitored at a fixed maximum temp, 
and its done on 2 or 3 of the gates on the cpu die intended to be used 
to replace a bad gate in you cpu. Intelligently done at test and bondout 
time, it might add 10 seconds to the time needed to verify the rest of 
the chip. 

> > "What you can't measure, you can't control"

Better, if you can measure it, you can control a 2 wite motor.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 02:00 +0200
  Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 02:50 +0200
    Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 03:10 +0200
      Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 05:00 +0200
        Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 05:10 +0200
      Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 05:10 +0200
        Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 05:30 +0200
          Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-08-22 07:30 +0200
            Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 08:30 +0200
              Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:30 +0200
              Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-08-22 12:10 +0200
                Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 13:30 +0200
              Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:20 +0200
                Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:30 +0200
                Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 18:50 +0200
          FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 07:30 +0200
  Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 09:10 +0200
    Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 09:50 +0200
      Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 10:00 +0200
        Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:10 +0200
          Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:10 +0200
            Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:20 +0200
          Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:30 +0200
            Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:50 +0200
              Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-08-22 16:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:20 +0200
                Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 18:50 +0200
      Re: smart fans Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2021-08-22 17:30 +0200
        Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 17:50 +0200
  Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 09:50 +0200
    Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:00 +0200
      Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:20 +0200
      Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 10:30 +0200
        Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:40 +0200
        Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:40 +0200
          Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:40 +0200
            Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:50 +0200
              Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 11:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 11:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-08-22 11:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:10 +0200
              Re: smart fans didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-08-22 11:30 +0200
          Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 11:00 +0200
            Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:10 +0200
              Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 15:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-08-22 16:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 16:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 18:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-22 23:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-23 00:20 +0200
                Re: smart fans "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-22 16:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 18:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 19:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 23:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-23 10:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 21:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-23 21:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-23 21:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-23 21:40 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 22:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 00:30 +0200
            Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 22:30 +0200
              Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 23:20 +0200
      Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 21:30 +0200
        Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 22:00 +0200
          Re: smart fans didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-08-22 23:20 +0200
            Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 23:40 +0200
              Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 23:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-23 00:40 +0200
              Re: smart fans didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-08-23 09:30 +0200
        Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 22:20 +0200
          Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 23:10 +0200
            Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 23:30 +0200
        Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 23:50 +0200
          Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-23 00:10 +0200
            Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 02:00 +0200
              Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 02:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 02:40 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 03:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-23 03:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 21:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-08-24 18:20 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 23:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-23 03:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 21:00 +0200
              Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-23 03:20 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 21:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-23 22:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 23:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-23 23:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 00:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 01:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 02:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 03:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 04:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 05:20 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 09:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 23:20 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 23:40 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 00:40 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 00:20 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 02:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 04:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 07:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 09:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-25 00:20 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-25 01:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-29 01:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-29 12:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-09-04 00:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-09-04 03:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-09-04 04:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-09-04 23:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-09-07 03:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-09-07 23:20 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 11:20 +0200

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