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Re: smart fans

From Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: smart fans
Date 2021-08-22 10:40 +0200
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On 2021-08-22 4:30 a.m., Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2021-08-22 4:23 a.m., tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 09:56:19AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>> Fan connectors are 3-pin!
>>
>> Aha. So there's a chance.
>>
>> But still your drivers don't seem to play along. Hm.
>>
>> Ahem... it seems I was wrong: the third pin in three-pin conector seems
>> to be tacho (i.e. speed feedback), not PWM [1]. The PWM is the fourth
>> pin, which on a three-pin connector is the... oh, wait.
>>
>> Whether three-pin fans can be even be RPM controlled is an open question
>> (the DC feed could be modulated, I guess, but I don't know whether it
>> is actually done).
>>
> And there's the question of the system used to drive the fan. Could be
> proprietary and not open.
> 
> On budget motherboard, saving a chip is saving some cash and making profit.
> 
> The significant difference in practice is that 4-pin fans allow for RPM
> to change based on the need for cooling temperature, this reduces noise
> and power consumption. While 3-pin can control the voltage, but the
> voltage can't turn to change the fan RPM at all and accurate as much as
> 4 pin fans. [2]

I'll add, changing voltage can't modulate the speed of a fan.

You can only throttle it when you go into a close to stop. But this is
really ineffective way of trying to control the speed. You'll be running
at at most a hundred rpm.
> 
> What Is the Difference Between Three- and Four-Pin CPU Fans? [3]
> 
> 
> 
>> Cheers
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_fan#Connectors
>>
>>  - t
>>
> 
> 
> [2] https://digitalworld839.com/3-pin-vs-4-pin-fan-difference-between/
> 
> [3]
> https://www.howtogeek.com/273575/what-is-the-difference-between-three-and-four-pin-cpu-fans/
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 02:00 +0200
  Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 02:50 +0200
    Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 03:10 +0200
      Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 05:00 +0200
        Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 05:10 +0200
      Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 05:10 +0200
        Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 05:30 +0200
          Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-08-22 07:30 +0200
            Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 08:30 +0200
              Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:30 +0200
              Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-08-22 12:10 +0200
                Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 13:30 +0200
              Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:20 +0200
                Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:30 +0200
                Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 18:50 +0200
          FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 07:30 +0200
  Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 09:10 +0200
    Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 09:50 +0200
      Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 10:00 +0200
        Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:10 +0200
          Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:10 +0200
            Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:20 +0200
          Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:30 +0200
            Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:50 +0200
              Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-08-22 16:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:20 +0200
                Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 18:50 +0200
      Re: smart fans Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2021-08-22 17:30 +0200
        Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 17:50 +0200
  Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 09:50 +0200
    Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:00 +0200
      Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:20 +0200
      Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 10:30 +0200
        Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:40 +0200
        Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:40 +0200
          Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:40 +0200
            Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:50 +0200
              Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 11:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 11:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-08-22 11:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:10 +0200
              Re: smart fans didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-08-22 11:30 +0200
          Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 11:00 +0200
            Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:10 +0200
              Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 15:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-08-22 16:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 16:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 18:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-22 23:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-23 00:20 +0200
                Re: smart fans "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-22 16:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 18:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 19:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 23:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-23 10:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 21:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-23 21:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-23 21:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-23 21:40 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 22:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 00:30 +0200
            Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 22:30 +0200
              Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 23:20 +0200
      Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 21:30 +0200
        Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 22:00 +0200
          Re: smart fans didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-08-22 23:20 +0200
            Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 23:40 +0200
              Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 23:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-23 00:40 +0200
              Re: smart fans didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-08-23 09:30 +0200
        Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 22:20 +0200
          Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 23:10 +0200
            Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 23:30 +0200
        Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 23:50 +0200
          Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-23 00:10 +0200
            Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 02:00 +0200
              Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 02:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 02:40 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 03:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-23 03:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 21:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-08-24 18:20 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 23:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-23 03:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 21:00 +0200
              Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-23 03:20 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 21:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-23 22:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 23:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-23 23:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 00:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 01:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 02:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 03:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 04:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 05:20 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 09:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 23:20 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 23:40 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 00:40 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 00:20 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 02:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 04:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 07:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 09:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-25 00:20 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-25 01:30 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-29 01:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-29 12:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-09-04 00:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-09-04 03:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-09-04 04:50 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-09-04 23:00 +0200
                Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-09-07 03:10 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-09-07 23:20 +0200
                Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 11:20 +0200

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