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| From | Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] |
| Date | 2021-07-13 16:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CArqp-2Dr-3@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
| References | <CAkIh-6NL-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <CAl1D-6TR-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <CAmqJ-7C5-5@gated-at.bofh.it> <CApoC-1oH-11@gated-at.bofh.it> <CAqkG-1Xh-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:08:53 +0300 Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 08:01:58AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > Github (Gitlab, Sourceforge, etc) were and are non-free (as in - > > > non-gratis) services, so it's only reasonable to stay away from them > > > regardless of whom is controlling them. > > > > What do you mean by calling them non-gratis services? I know that some > > of their services are non-gratis, but basic code hosting certainly is > > gratis. > > You do not pay for these services, yet they provide them to you and > everyone else (with certain exclusions). > Guess who is the product here? The answer is - you are the product. > Payment involving money is not the only kind of payment that you can > make today. I think that's an unreasonable definition of gratis and non-gratis. If a FLOSS dev gets an ego boost, or even some sort of spiritual satisfaction, from people using his software, does that mean it's non-gratis? > > > You need to be in control of your code - *you* host it. Always was, > > > always is. It's not that hard anyway. > > > > If you maintain a local copy of your code and just push it to Github > > for serving it publicly (which is what I do, and what I assume most > > developers do), you haven't lost control of your code > > And then you take out your Github repository in compliance with DMCA > claim (bonus points for false DMCA claim). > Whoops - suddenly you've lost a chunk of your userbase, possibly > - some of your contributors, bug reports, CI/CD pipeline, and that's a > non-exhaustive list. Those are certainly legitimate concerns, although none of that really means that you're "not in control of your code." I see that you yourself acknowledge this below. > > - if / when the host does anything you don't like, you take the > > existing code and make it available elsewhere, and stop posting future > > code to the offending service. (It'll still have a copy of any > > existing code, of course - but that's inevitable with FLOSS software > > regardless of where you host it.) > > But the "code" aka git repository is not the only thing that's provided > by such companies, and the temptation to use these other services (that > are also provided "free" of charge) is way too great for the most. > > You've kept your code in the scenario above, but what good did it gave > you? > > > I don't argue that there are "safe" ways of using these services > (aforementioned "code dump" is one of them). Problem is - if the risks > of using these services need to be explained to the participants of > debian-user - it's not possible to explain the same to the happy GitHub > crowd. We are in basic agreement. I'm not really a "developer" - I just host some relatively simple projects on Github. I agree that a deeper use of something like Github is something I'd have to carefully consider. Celejar
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Re: Offensive variable names "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-07-13 09:10 +0200
Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-13 09:30 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-13 11:00 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-13 11:30 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2021-07-13 11:30 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-13 12:00 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-07-13 14:10 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Brian Thompson <brian@hashvault.io> - 2021-07-13 14:10 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-13 15:10 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-07-13 16:20 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-07-13 17:30 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-07-13 18:00 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-07-13 21:40 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-13 22:00 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-07-13 23:50 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-07-14 06:10 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-07-14 07:00 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-07-14 16:20 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-07-14 16:30 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Alexandre Garreau <galex-713@galex-713.eu> - 2021-07-13 21:40 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-07-13 22:30 +0200
[OT] Selling beer (was: Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names]) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2021-07-14 00:30 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-07-14 01:20 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Alexandre Garreau <galex-713@galex-713.eu> - 2021-07-13 19:30 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-07-13 20:10 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-13 20:40 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-13 21:00 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-13 21:50 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2021-07-14 00:40 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-14 09:40 +0200
Re: Working for free "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-07-14 09:50 +0200
Re: Working for free Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-14 11:50 +0200
Re: Working for free "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-07-14 12:40 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-07-14 15:00 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-14 15:40 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-14 19:20 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Alexandre Garreau <galex-713@galex-713.eu> - 2021-07-13 21:20 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-07-14 01:20 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-07-14 08:50 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-07-14 14:10 +0200
Re: Working for free [was: Offensive variable names] Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-14 15:10 +0200
Re: Working for free "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-07-13 12:10 +0200
Re: Working for free <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-13 12:10 +0200
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