Re: Google vs. DDG

From	Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Google vs. DDG
Date	2021-04-28 18:50 +0200
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 17:07:42 +0100
mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2021-04-28 16:05, Celejar wrote:
> > On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100
> > <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
> > 
> >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> >> 
> >> [...]
> >> 
> >> > You've been making some very interesting points here about the key
> >> > being context, but I'm not sure I totally buy it. DDG simply doesn't
> >> > work well for me in certain areas of interest to me. Perhaps I'm simply
> >> > not sufficiently skilled at disambiguation (my "DDG fu" needs
> >> > improvement?), but I'm simply much less productive with DDG than with
> >> > Google. And I do usually access Google without being logged in, with
> >> > most cookies blocked, NoScript, etc., so in general it has much less
> >> > (not zero, of course) "context" with regard to me than it does in
> >> > general.
> >> 
> >> Hm. Good point. Of course, Google has a lot more resources than DDG.
> >> My hypothesis is that the advantage from that is rather marginal and
> >> that they get most of their advantage from search context. Of course,
> >> I may be wrong (as nearly always ;-)
> >> 
> >> Could you give an example where DDG fails and Google succeeds?
> > 
> > Here's a sort of example I just ran into. When trying to find
> > information about Thetis hardware security keys, DDG simply couldn't
> > find the company's website: searching DDG for "thetis key" turns up (in
> > the first page of hits) a bunch of Amazon listings, and a bunch of
> > reviews of, and articles about, security keys that mention Thetis.
> > Searching for the same thing on Google, OTOH, returns the company's
> > website (https://thetis.io) as the first hit (along with a convenient
> > list of pages on the site).
> > 
> > At least, this is what I get here. Who knows what you'll see ...
> > 
> > Celejar
> 
> I think Google tailors results according to what they know about you.
> Even if you reset the router to a new IP and clear all the cookies they 
> still seem to know. I've wondered if the browser has an identifying 
> number.

I can't speak for all browsers, of course, but I'm pretty sure Firefox
has no (public) unique ID:

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1123927

Celejar

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  Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-13 21:50 +0100
    Re: Google vs. DDG Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-13 22:00 +0100
      Re: Google vs. DDG Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-03-13 22:30 +0100
      Re: Google vs. DDG <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-13 23:30 +0100
        Re: Google vs. DDG ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-03-14 00:10 +0100
          Re: Google vs. DDG Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-03-14 00:40 +0100
            Re: Google vs. DDG deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-14 10:10 +0100
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          Re: Google vs. DDG Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-03-14 00:50 +0100
            Re: Google vs. DDG ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-03-14 01:00 +0100
              Re: Google vs. DDG <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-14 10:00 +0100
    Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2021-03-13 22:10 +0100
    Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-13 22:40 +0100
      Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-14 00:00 +0100
        Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-14 10:10 +0100
          Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-14 11:00 +0100
            Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-14 11:20 +0100
              Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-14 12:20 +0100
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-14 12:50 +0100
          Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-14 14:50 +0100
            Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-14 15:10 +0100
              Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-16 14:50 +0100
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-16 15:10 +0100
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-16 15:50 +0100
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) tomas@tuxteam.de - 2021-03-16 16:10 +0100
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-16 21:50 +0100
                Re: Google vs. DDG ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-03-16 22:10 +0100
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-16 22:50 +0100
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-17 00:20 +0100
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                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-17 00:20 +0100
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-17 09:20 +0100
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-28 17:10 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) tomas@tuxteam.de - 2021-04-28 17:40 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-04-28 17:50 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-28 18:10 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-28 18:10 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-04-28 18:30 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-28 18:50 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-04-28 22:00 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-28 18:20 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-28 18:50 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-04-28 20:10 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2021-04-28 22:00 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) riveravaldez <riveravaldezmail@gmail.com> - 2021-04-29 02:00 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Yitzhak Grossman <ygrossman@gmx.com> - 2021-04-29 04:30 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-29 09:30 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-29 16:10 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-29 17:10 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-02 13:00 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2021-05-02 13:30 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2021-05-02 14:00 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-02 14:10 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-02 18:00 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-02 18:20 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-02 14:30 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2021-05-02 14:50 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-02 15:20 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-05-02 15:30 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-05-02 14:30 +0200
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-05-02 16:00 +0200
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