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Re: Modern best practice for putting a contact email on the web

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On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 11:31:29 +0500
"Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 06.04.2021 01:14, Celejar wrote:
> >> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 15:51:28 -0400
> >> Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:
> >> Because it doesn't work. If it worked as well as, say, moving your 
> >> SSH port*, I would encourage it. It does not. 
> > Source? Is this your personal experience, or do you have some other
> > basis for this? Cloudflare, for example, asserts that:
> >
> > "Cloudflare Email Address Obfuscation helps in spam prevention by
> > hiding email addresses appearing in your pages from email harvesters
> > and other bots, while remaining visible to your site visitors."
> >
> I think you see spam problem from the wrong perspective.
> You might think "spammer" is a person with some home brewed script that 
> pray upon unsuspecting web-sites.

I understand that they use sophisticated bots, not home-brewed scripts.

> Spam is a whole industry and there are large spam groups who make profit 
> from spam alone. They are capable to create private and commercial 
> applications for data-mining and constantly update them with new tricks 
> to fight new obfuscation methods for an example.
> They use collected data to create databases of emails (categorize them, 
> add country\area information, etc) which later could be traded among 
> spam community members and\or sold to companies who want to implement 
> aggressive advertisements.
> So once your email, even if it was obfuscated, gets into said databases 
> there is no escape from spam.
> This is the reason why obfuscation doesn't work.

I understand your points, but at the end of the day, it still seems
plausible to me that obfuscation could reduce (not eliminate, of
course) the prevalence of a posted address in their various lists. I
have a number of email addresses, and some get a lot more spam than
others, so there's apparently no one central, authoritative spammer
list that all email addresses quickly end up on.

I do understand the consensus here, though, of people with more
experience than I have, that obfuscation today is of little or no
value. Here are some other discussions of the question I've come
across, although some are ancient:

https://www.w3.org/blog/systeam/2008/09/11/email_address_obfuscation/
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/748780/best-way-to-obfuscate-an-e-mail-address-on-a-website
https://blog.mailtrap.io/email-obfuscation/

Celejar

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Re: Modern best practice for putting a contact email on the web Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-04-05 22:00 +0200
  Re: Modern best practice for putting a contact email on the web Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-05 22:20 +0200
    Re: Modern best practice for putting a contact email on the web Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2021-04-05 23:10 +0200
    Re: Modern best practice for putting a contact email on the web Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-04-06 01:50 +0200
      Re: Modern best practice for putting a contact email on the web Jim Popovitch <jim@k4vqc.com> - 2021-04-06 02:00 +0200
        Re: Modern best practice for putting a contact email on the web Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-04-06 02:30 +0200
          Re: Modern best practice for putting a contact email on the web Jim Popovitch <jim@k4vqc.com> - 2021-04-06 02:40 +0200
      Re: Modern best practice for putting a contact email on the web Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-06 03:00 +0200
        Re: Modern best practice for putting a contact email on the web Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-04-06 03:40 +0200
          Re: Modern best practice for putting a contact email on the web Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-06 04:00 +0200
    Re: Modern best practice for putting a contact email on the web "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2021-04-06 08:40 +0200
      Re: Modern best practice for putting a contact email on the web Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-06 14:20 +0200

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