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Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers

Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
From Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com>
Subject Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers
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Date 2018-10-26 17:55 +0000

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On 2018-10-26, SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
> On 2018-10-26 12:46 p.m., owl wrote:
>> SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>>> On 2018-10-26 10:44 a.m., owl wrote:
>>>> SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-10-25 1:11 p.m., owl wrote:
>>>>>> SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2018-10-25 9:09 a.m., owl wrote:
>>>>>>>> SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2018-10-25 8:39 a.m., owl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-10-24 5:10 p.m., owl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-10-24 1:12 p.m., proletariat wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:25:46 -0400, SilverSlimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I were still a teenager, I'd probably want to spend more time looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the innards of Linux to become as knowledgeable as someone like owl.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I do want to watch my Blu-Ray titles, I want to play some new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> games and I especially like my DRM video services. I'm somewhat
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unapologetic in saying that I like them. I can get most of that to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Linux, but it sucks to find out that my M.2 RAID setup does not work
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way that it should with the open-source OS and that some games I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid for will either not work or not as well as in Windows. I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think I'll ever dislike Linux or open-source again, but I'm nearing 40
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my patience for non-function or tinkering has dropped considerably.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What RAID controller and RAID level, and what's not working?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> RAID0 for both. 128GBx2 in the first, 256GBx2 in the second. Some
>>>>>>>>>>> distributions see it but refuse to install on it (or cause an error
>>>>>>>>>>> along the way) whereas the others don't see it at all as a RAID and
>>>>>>>>>>> instead as two separate disks. The RAID options are in the BIOS so I
>>>>>>>>>>> imagine that it's a software level one but I don't know for a fact.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you dual-booting?
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe this will give some assistance:
>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've never been a fan of the idea of dual-booting. I enjoy the idea of
>>>>>>>>> having one system on my computer and doing everything that I want to do
>>>>>>>>> with it. I am using Windows but most of the software I use is
>>>>>>>>> open-source. To me, that's fine. I don't want to risk having data lost
>>>>>>>>> or something similar because Linux suddenly doesn't like my RAID or
>>>>>>>>> something of the sort either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't understand.  Were you attempting to install linux in a dual-boot
>>>>>>>> onto a system with fake RAID, or were you going with a linux-only install
>>>>>>>> on that system?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was attempting to install Linux as the sole operating system onto a
>>>>>>> laptop in which 4 M.2 SSDs are set up in two separate RAID0
>>>>>>> combinations. I'm starting to think that it would work better if I
>>>>>>> combined them all into one RAID0 and separated them afterwards though
>>>>>>> but I am reluctant to do that because the performance of the first two
>>>>>>> M.2s is not the same as the two 256GB Intel ones I got and I imagine it
>>>>>>> might create some sort of bottleneck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it's not a dual boot with Windows, I would just turn off the fake
>>>>>> RAID in the bios and set up a software RAID during installation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm realizing that you're right in that Linux does allow you to put two
>>>>> or more drives together during installation if the user chooses. On the
>>>>> other hand, things are working fine for now so I won't tempt fate for
>>>>> the time being.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> RAID0 is tempting fate anyway, but that aside, I would rather have
>>>> Linux in control of it than some dubious firmware.
>>>
>>> How does it tempt fate, exactly? I've had the the first two M.2s in a
>>> RAID0 since the laptop was purchased in 2015 and it's never been an
>>> issue for me.
>>>
>> 
>> Because failure rate factor would increase by the number of drives, and
>> data recovery from a failed array would be more difficult than from a
>> failed standalone disk.  There is nothing RAID-like about a RAID0 in the
>> sense of redundancy.  It's just striping.  But as long as you do backups,
>> it's ok.
>
> I'd be worried if they were regular HDs, but they are M.2 SSDs and I 
> therefore have more confidence in their durability. HDs suck. I don't 
> care how much storage they have, they're outdated and don't serve a 
> purpose unless you need to store a large amount of data. Even then, I 
> wouldn't expect them to last more than three years.

RAID0 is only sensible RAID with SSDs. Conserning HDDs, I have only one
dead so far in 26 years. On servers, they die accasionaly, but so SSDs. HDDs are good
for music and movies, putting them on SSDs is wasted space.
Also for backups, you don't wont SSD for backup, no point.

>
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  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 09:06 -0400
    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 06:17 -0700
    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 09:20 -0400
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 06:47 -0700
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 06:54 -0700
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 07:34 -0700
    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-23 08:23 -0500
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 10:07 -0400
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 10:57 -0400
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 11:13 -0400
            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-23 17:11 +0000
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 13:28 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-23 19:13 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 12:37 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 18:43 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 23:21 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:13 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 07:16 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 20:02 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 17:53 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 18:18 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:15 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 08:37 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 18:41 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 23:20 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 20:03 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 18:12 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:39 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 19:54 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 17:34 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 22:23 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 18:36 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 16:56 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-24 21:19 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 18:27 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:37 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 16:32 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 02:05 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 19:17 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 19:32 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 02:37 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 08:39 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 06:14 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:45 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 15:26 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 08:49 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 13:03 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:45 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 19:30 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 10:53 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 13:02 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 18:08 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 14:15 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 18:19 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 14:23 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 18:50 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 16:41 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 14:00 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 21:01 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 14:31 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 06:58 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:49 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 08:34 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 08:48 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 09:05 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 20:00 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 17:29 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 17:59 -0700
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                Re: What is your profession, Owl ? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 02:06 +0000
                Are you Chris Caputo ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-10-23 22:53 -0700
                Re: Are you Chris Caputo ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 23:13 -0700
                Re: Are you Chris Caputo ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 03:09 -0700
                Re: What is your profession, Owl ? DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-24 10:28 -0400
                Re: What is your profession, Owl ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 07:47 -0700
                What is your profession, Owl ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-10-24 07:53 -0700
                Re: What is your profession, Owl ? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 15:06 +0000
                Re: What is your profession, Owl ? Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 20:10 +0200
                Re: What is your profession, Owl ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 11:40 -0700
            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 19:44 -0400
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 18:03 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:28 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 08:39 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 08:49 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 20:07 +0200
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 18:11 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 20:17 +0200
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 18:37 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 00:37 +0200
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 16:22 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-25 12:20 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 14:18 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 16:41 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 16:58 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-25 07:13 -0500
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:38 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 03:43 +0200
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:58 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 18:58 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:39 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 03:48 +0200
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:56 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 04:14 +0200
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 19:29 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 19:46 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 12:25 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 09:38 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 10:07 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 13:12 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-24 15:38 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 12:58 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 17:30 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 15:19 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-24 21:56 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-25 09:48 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-25 07:04 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 08:31 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 16:39 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 21:10 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 18:50 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-25 12:39 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-25 08:53 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-25 13:09 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-25 10:56 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-25 17:11 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 10:22 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 11:08 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 14:32 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-26 08:07 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-26 14:44 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-26 12:10 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-26 16:46 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-26 10:04 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-26 13:48 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-10-26 17:55 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-27 11:41 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 08:56 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-10-27 17:08 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 11:17 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-27 16:12 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-10-27 21:01 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 14:10 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 18:03 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 14:41 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-27 20:26 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-25 06:57 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 16:44 +0000
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                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-25 16:02 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-26 08:05 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 06:26 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-24 12:47 -0500
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 11:09 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:43 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-25 07:06 -0500
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 05:07 -0700
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:25 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 07:32 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 12:22 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 13:07 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 10:22 -0700
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-23 12:00 -0500
            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-23 17:24 +0000
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-23 12:30 -0500
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-23 18:48 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 12:38 -0700
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 12:45 -0700
            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 11:12 -0700
            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 18:28 +0000
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 12:43 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 13:01 -0700
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-10-23 14:30 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 14:40 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 15:07 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 14:51 -0700
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 19:57 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 18:01 -0700
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 16:32 -0700
    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 18:20 +0000
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 11:43 -0700
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 18:44 -0400
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 23:23 +0000
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 16:57 -0700
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 18:03 -0700
            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:30 -0400
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:30 -0400
  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-23 12:19 -0500
    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 10:26 -0700
    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-25 11:02 -0400
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-28 03:37 +0100
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 20:41 -0700
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-29 07:50 -0500
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 23:43 -0700
    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-28 03:34 +0100
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 19:38 -0700
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-28 04:00 -0700
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-29 07:49 -0500
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-29 07:22 -0700
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 22:56 -0700
  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-24 21:25 -0400

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