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Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers

Subject Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
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From SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er>
Message-ID <lE3BD.272706$9O2.121280@fx03.iad> (permalink)
Organization blocknews - www.blocknews.net
Date 2018-10-27 16:12 -0400

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On 2018-10-27 1:08 p.m., Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2018-10-27, SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>> On 2018-10-26 1:55 p.m., Melzzzzz wrote:
>>> On 2018-10-26, SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>>>> On 2018-10-26 12:46 p.m., owl wrote:
>>>>> SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2018-10-26 10:44 a.m., owl wrote:
>>>>>>> SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2018-10-25 1:11 p.m., owl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-10-25 9:09 a.m., owl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-10-25 8:39 a.m., owl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-10-24 5:10 p.m., owl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-10-24 1:12 p.m., proletariat wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:25:46 -0400, SilverSlimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I were still a teenager, I'd probably want to spend more time looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the innards of Linux to become as knowledgeable as someone like owl.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I do want to watch my Blu-Ray titles, I want to play some new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> games and I especially like my DRM video services. I'm somewhat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unapologetic in saying that I like them. I can get most of that to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Linux, but it sucks to find out that my M.2 RAID setup does not work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way that it should with the open-source OS and that some games I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid for will either not work or not as well as in Windows. I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think I'll ever dislike Linux or open-source again, but I'm nearing 40
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my patience for non-function or tinkering has dropped considerably.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What RAID controller and RAID level, and what's not working?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAID0 for both. 128GBx2 in the first, 256GBx2 in the second. Some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distributions see it but refuse to install on it (or cause an error
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along the way) whereas the others don't see it at all as a RAID and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead as two separate disks. The RAID options are in the BIOS so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagine that it's a software level one but I don't know for a fact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you dual-booting?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe this will give some assistance:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've never been a fan of the idea of dual-booting. I enjoy the idea of
>>>>>>>>>>>> having one system on my computer and doing everything that I want to do
>>>>>>>>>>>> with it. I am using Windows but most of the software I use is
>>>>>>>>>>>> open-source. To me, that's fine. I don't want to risk having data lost
>>>>>>>>>>>> or something similar because Linux suddenly doesn't like my RAID or
>>>>>>>>>>>> something of the sort either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand.  Were you attempting to install linux in a dual-boot
>>>>>>>>>>> onto a system with fake RAID, or were you going with a linux-only install
>>>>>>>>>>> on that system?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was attempting to install Linux as the sole operating system onto a
>>>>>>>>>> laptop in which 4 M.2 SSDs are set up in two separate RAID0
>>>>>>>>>> combinations. I'm starting to think that it would work better if I
>>>>>>>>>> combined them all into one RAID0 and separated them afterwards though
>>>>>>>>>> but I am reluctant to do that because the performance of the first two
>>>>>>>>>> M.2s is not the same as the two 256GB Intel ones I got and I imagine it
>>>>>>>>>> might create some sort of bottleneck.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If it's not a dual boot with Windows, I would just turn off the fake
>>>>>>>>> RAID in the bios and set up a software RAID during installation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm realizing that you're right in that Linux does allow you to put two
>>>>>>>> or more drives together during installation if the user chooses. On the
>>>>>>>> other hand, things are working fine for now so I won't tempt fate for
>>>>>>>> the time being.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RAID0 is tempting fate anyway, but that aside, I would rather have
>>>>>>> Linux in control of it than some dubious firmware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How does it tempt fate, exactly? I've had the the first two M.2s in a
>>>>>> RAID0 since the laptop was purchased in 2015 and it's never been an
>>>>>> issue for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Because failure rate factor would increase by the number of drives, and
>>>>> data recovery from a failed array would be more difficult than from a
>>>>> failed standalone disk.  There is nothing RAID-like about a RAID0 in the
>>>>> sense of redundancy.  It's just striping.  But as long as you do backups,
>>>>> it's ok.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be worried if they were regular HDs, but they are M.2 SSDs and I
>>>> therefore have more confidence in their durability. HDs suck. I don't
>>>> care how much storage they have, they're outdated and don't serve a
>>>> purpose unless you need to store a large amount of data. Even then, I
>>>> wouldn't expect them to last more than three years.
>>>
>>> RAID0 is only sensible RAID with SSDs. Conserning HDDs, I have only one
>>> dead so far in 26 years. On servers, they die accasionaly, but so SSDs. HDDs are good
>>> for music and movies, putting them on SSDs is wasted space.
>>> Also for backups, you don't wont SSD for backup, no point.
>>
>> I might not want SSDs for backups, but I will only use them for backups
>> anyway. I simply don't trust HDs on a laptop. They're not durable at all.
> 
> So you would put SSDs in NAS?

I have no idea since I have no reason to have a NAS.


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SilverSlimer

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  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 09:06 -0400
    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 06:17 -0700
    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 09:20 -0400
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 06:47 -0700
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 06:54 -0700
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 07:34 -0700
    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-23 08:23 -0500
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 10:07 -0400
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 10:57 -0400
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 11:13 -0400
            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-23 17:11 +0000
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 13:28 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-23 19:13 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 12:37 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 18:43 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 23:21 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:13 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 07:16 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 20:02 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 17:53 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 18:18 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:15 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 08:37 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 18:41 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 23:20 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 20:03 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 18:12 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:39 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 19:54 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 17:34 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 22:23 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 18:36 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 16:56 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-24 21:19 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 18:27 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:37 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 16:32 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 02:05 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 19:17 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 19:32 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 02:37 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 08:39 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 06:14 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:45 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 15:26 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 08:49 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 13:03 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:45 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 19:30 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 10:53 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 13:02 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 18:08 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 14:15 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 18:19 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 14:23 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 18:50 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 16:41 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 14:00 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 21:01 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 14:31 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 06:58 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:49 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 08:34 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 08:48 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 09:05 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 20:00 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 17:29 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 17:59 -0700
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                Re: What is your profession, Owl ? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 02:06 +0000
                Are you Chris Caputo ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-10-23 22:53 -0700
                Re: Are you Chris Caputo ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 23:13 -0700
                Re: Are you Chris Caputo ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 03:09 -0700
                Re: What is your profession, Owl ? DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-24 10:28 -0400
                Re: What is your profession, Owl ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 07:47 -0700
                What is your profession, Owl ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-10-24 07:53 -0700
                Re: What is your profession, Owl ? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 15:06 +0000
                Re: What is your profession, Owl ? Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 20:10 +0200
                Re: What is your profession, Owl ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 11:40 -0700
            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 19:44 -0400
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 18:03 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:28 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 08:39 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 08:49 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 20:07 +0200
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 18:11 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 20:17 +0200
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 18:37 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 00:37 +0200
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 16:22 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-25 12:20 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 14:18 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 16:41 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 16:58 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-25 07:13 -0500
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:38 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 03:43 +0200
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:58 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 18:58 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:39 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 03:48 +0200
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:56 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 04:14 +0200
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 19:29 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 19:46 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 12:25 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 09:38 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 10:07 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 13:12 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-24 15:38 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 12:58 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 17:30 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 15:19 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-24 21:56 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-25 09:48 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-25 07:04 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 08:31 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 16:39 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-24 21:10 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 18:50 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-25 12:39 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-25 08:53 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-25 13:09 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-25 10:56 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-25 17:11 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 10:22 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 11:08 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 14:32 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-26 08:07 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-26 14:44 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-26 12:10 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-26 16:46 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-26 10:04 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-26 13:48 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-10-26 17:55 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-27 11:41 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 08:56 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-10-27 17:08 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 11:17 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-27 16:12 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-10-27 21:01 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 14:10 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 18:03 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 14:41 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-27 20:26 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-25 06:57 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 16:44 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 10:06 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-25 16:02 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-26 08:05 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 06:26 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-24 12:47 -0500
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 11:09 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-24 18:43 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-25 07:06 -0500
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 05:07 -0700
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:25 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 07:32 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-24 12:22 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 13:07 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 10:22 -0700
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-23 12:00 -0500
            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-23 17:24 +0000
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-23 12:30 -0500
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-10-23 18:48 +0000
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 12:38 -0700
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 12:45 -0700
            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 11:12 -0700
            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 18:28 +0000
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 12:43 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 13:01 -0700
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-10-23 14:30 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 14:40 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 15:07 -0700
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 14:51 -0700
              Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-10-23 19:57 -0400
                Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 18:01 -0700
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 16:32 -0700
    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 18:20 +0000
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 11:43 -0700
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-23 18:44 -0400
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 23:23 +0000
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 16:57 -0700
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-23 18:03 -0700
            Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:30 -0400
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers proletariat <myemailisaol@defunct.org> - 2018-10-24 10:30 -0400
  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-23 12:19 -0500
    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-23 10:26 -0700
    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-25 11:02 -0400
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-28 03:37 +0100
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 20:41 -0700
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-29 07:50 -0500
          Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 23:43 -0700
    Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Hadron Quark <hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2018-10-28 03:34 +0100
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 19:38 -0700
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-28 04:00 -0700
      Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-29 07:49 -0500
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-10-29 07:22 -0700
        Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 22:56 -0700
  Re: Attention "Hobbyware" Accusers DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-10-24 21:25 -0400

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