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Re: General resolution: ratify https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io

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* Russ Allbery:

> Sruthi Chandran <srud@disroot.org> writes:
>
>> I have an alternate suggestion. Instead of signing the said letter,
>> Debian can issue a position statement similar to the one released by FSF
>> Europe. [1]
>
>> Will share the amended text if this idea has supporters.
>
>>  [1] https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20210324-01.html
>
> I'm comfortable with Debian signing the original letter, but as an
> organizational statement, I think I like this one somewhat better.  I
> think an organization should try to express what that organization itself
> is going to do, and this seems clearer on that point.  (Personal
> statements are a bit different.)

+1.

The FSF board has shown remarkable short-sightedness and arrogance in
readmitting RMS. I personally agree that he should no longer assume any
kind of leadership position within the Free Software community, simply
because by now he has lost any moral authority that he may or may not
have had in the past. However, the open letter cited in the GR pushes
the issue way too hard without any positive purpose: The damage to the
FSF has already been done and cannot be repaired.

The Debian project should not call for the removal of the FSF's board.
Neither should Debian urge people to refuse contributing to
FSF/RMS-associated software projects, especially not while we are still
shipping a Linux distribution that is built on such software projects.

If irony was generally acceptable for a GR, the Debian project should
simply offer its condolences to the FSF for having acknowledged its own
irrelevance. Since this does not work, let's keep things simple and go
with something modelled after the FSF's or the EFF's statements

Cheers,
-Hilko

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General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 22:00 +0100
  Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Neil McGovern <neilm@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 22:10 +0100
  Re: General resolution: ratify https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 22:10 +0100
  Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 22:10 +0100
  Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 22:10 +0100
  Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-03-24 22:10 +0100
  Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Colin Tuckley <colin@tuckley.org> - 2021-03-24 22:30 +0100
  Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Nicolas Dandrimont <olasd@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 22:30 +0100
    Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 22:40 +0100
      Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-03-24 22:40 +0100
      Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 22:50 +0100
      Re: General resolution: ratify https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 22:50 +0100
      Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Colin Tuckley <colin@tuckley.org> - 2021-03-24 22:50 +0100
      Re: General resolution: ratify https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 23:10 +0100
  Re: General resolution: ratify https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io "Paul R. Tagliamonte" <paultag@gmail.com> - 2021-03-24 22:40 +0100
    Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be> - 2021-03-25 20:20 +0100
      Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be> - 2021-03-25 20:30 +0100
  Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Sylvestre Ledru <sylvestre@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 22:50 +0100
    Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be> - 2021-03-25 20:20 +0100
  Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io "Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)" <jcc@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 08:30 +0100
  Re: General resolution: ratify https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Sruthi Chandran <srud@disroot.org> - 2021-03-25 18:50 +0100
    Re: General resolution: ratify https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2021-03-25 19:20 +0100
      Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Gard Spreemann <gspr@nonempty.org> - 2021-03-25 19:30 +0100
      Re: General resolution: ratify https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Antoine Beaupré <anarcat@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 20:30 +0100
        Re: General resolution: ratify https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2021-03-26 12:20 +0100
    Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 20:20 +0100
      Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Sruthi Chandran <srud@disroot.org> - 2021-03-25 21:20 +0100
        Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Sruthi Chandran <srud@disroot.org> - 2021-03-25 21:40 +0100
        Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 21:40 +0100
      Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Hilko Bengen <bengen@debian.org> - 2021-03-27 01:40 +0100
    Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Gard Spreemann <gspr@nonempty.org> - 2021-03-25 20:30 +0100
  Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Christoph Biedl <debian.axhn@manchmal.in-ulm.de> - 2021-03-27 01:10 +0100
    Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Michael Lustfield <michael@lustfield.net> - 2021-03-28 05:20 +0200
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        Re: General resolution: ratify  https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io Michael Lustfield <michael@lustfield.net> - 2021-03-28 16:50 +0200

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